+ Reply to Thread
Results 31 to 45 of 124
Discussion: World of Warcraft / World of Warcraft - General Discussion - BwL attempts... - I'm totally with ya, Bear. The looting process is extremely painful to the point of
-
10-20-2006, 02:43 PM #31
- Join Date
- May 2006
- Location
- Chicago, IL
- Age
- 31
- Posts
- 424
Re: BwL attempts...
I'm totally with ya, Bear. The looting process is extremely painful to the point of it being quite a source of stress for many. I understand that much of the onus falls on the entire raid to have set pieces figured out before the bosses go down and to be quick in their decision-making on other items. However, I do believe that the ML can drive these things.
That being said, I've noticed that the couple of times that Luna performed ML duties in MC, our looting was impressively quick. She operated with that sense of urgency that you say we should have, Bear. She wasted no time; she posted *all items* (including any blues) in raid chat *immediately* after everyone was rez'd; she was clear and vocal about which item was being dealt with at any given time; she was up-front that if she didn't receive timely bids, the item would be DE'd, and she stuck to that claim. Overall she was supremely organized and decisive. Our loots easily took in the two to three minute range.
The point is, MLs *don't have to ask three times* for bids. They should take it upon themselves to speed up the process. Perhaps Luna can hold a little workshop on the ML process and how to make it work better. Or perhaps Luna can handle ML duties for a few raids to demonstrate and teach her tactics that way. Just a suggestion...Ninja
-
10-20-2006, 06:09 PM #32
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
- Location
- Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
- Age
- 32
- Posts
- 286
Re: BwL attempts...
Pushing it back to the main discussion...
I didn´t know we take 4h to clear MC, that being said, I propose this:
FRI - BwL ---> Starts at 7pm (st) sharp until we can’t take no more;
Sat - BwL ---> Starts at 7pm (st) sharp until we can’t take no more;
Sun - MC full clear and IF it´s not late, regarding everyone’s need, we give BwL some shots.
Monday -----> BwL attempts.
I’d say that until Razorgore BwL it is pretty easy, but we’ll need a lot of practice if we want to get further.
Firemawl isn’t easy to coordinate 40 ppl and distribute them in two different rooms with a huge dragon being tanked and simultaneously overheals in your MT, while ppl need to pay attention on their health returning to a safe position (everybody needs Onyxia´s cloak here)...
Clearing the "trash" mobs on the way to Firemawl will take some time too, but this is another discussion.
Let´s focus on the schedule proposed.
Beep, I have two questions: (i) would you be able to start MC one hour earlier, at 6pm (st)? (ii) Do you still need anything from MC?
If you can make it one hour earlier and other guildies as well, awesome! We’ll have at least 1h of attempts in BwL.
I’m sure we can speed up MC once we all get geared, I used to do it in +/- 2h 50min, soon MC scheduled time won’t be a problem and could be moved to the week OR we could actually do MC two days in the week instead, up to you and the other officers.
The second question is, if you can’t attend MC on every Sunday but it is already in a farming level would you mind letting Phantom or any other warriors being our MT, EVENTUALLY, if you can’t be there?
-
10-20-2006, 06:12 PM #33
- Join Date
- Jun 2006
- Location
- Saint Louis, MO
- Age
- 34
- Posts
- 881
Re: BwL attempts...
We have done well on nights where Beep couldn't be there, its just he feels an obligation to be there being our normal MT.
Just cause Beep can't be someplace doesn't mean we can't do what we do, but having Beep is always a huge bonus.
Sajaman/|TG-Irr|Sajier - WoW Resto Shaman, BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic
TG WoW Home Page | TG Required Reading | The Irregulars | Irregulars Forum
-
10-20-2006, 06:54 PM #34
- Join Date
- Jun 2004
- Location
- Syracuse, NY
- Age
- 45
- Posts
- 546
Re: BwL attempts...
Just as an FYI, if you start raids at 7 server you'll be doing without Bear as well. There's no way I'm getting that early of a start time out of Mama Bear.
“Waiting to be awakened by some unexpected thunderous roar, never dying...the sleeping giant lives and will sleep no more”. - John Seabrook
-
10-21-2006, 11:44 AM #35
- Join Date
- May 2003
- Location
- Minneapolis, MN
- Posts
- 1,735
Re: BwL attempts...
To answer Sacredlord's questions...
1. Starting at 6pm is not good. 7pm is the earliest.
2. I don't need anything from MC (except maybe [item]Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker[/item] )
Beep
Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. - (Isaac Asimov)
-
10-21-2006, 08:25 PM #36
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
- Location
- Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
- Age
- 32
- Posts
- 286
Re: BwL attempts...
OK Beep, that’s good to hear.
So, according to what everyone has posted here, we know that 7:30pm (sharp) is the earliest raid time we can schedule.
That being said, seems like we came back to the first point: We need more time to practice...
But not everything is lost! :P
First of all, let me show you guys the WoW instance reset days:
All raid instances reset at a certain server time on certain days, regardless of when players were actually saved to the instance. The reset times are as follows:
Blackwing Lair: Every 7 Days during weekly maintenance
Molten Core: Every 7 Days during weekly maintenance
Temple of Ahn'Qiraj (40-man): Every 7 Days during weekly maintenance
Naxxramas: Every 7 Days during weekly maintenance
Onyxia: Every 5 Days at 3:00AM
Zul'Gurub: Every 3 Days at 3:00AM
Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj (20-man): Every 3 Days at 3:00AM
Resets occur at 3:00AM or during weekly maintenance.
Why is it so important to take advantage of the reset days?
- Because the guild, as one unique structure and their members, will have many benefits not only learning the fights/strategies faster BUT gearing everyone quickly.
As you can see, there is no prejudice if you can’t attend the extra days in the proposed scheduled. You will be able to raid with the whole guild, like you ever did before and kill the same bosses again!
Besides, if you are in the end of the line to get certain tier 2 pieces, this could be a great opportunity to burst things in you favor since people will have more chances to kill the exactly same bosses, increasing the opportunity to gear up everyone.
Now that we all have a brief idea of how important it is for an end-game guild (casual or not) to explore the reset days, I’d like to present you guys another possibility:
Mon -- BwL 7:30pm (Razorgore and Vael)
Tue -- Ony 7:30pm + 20 man instance
Wed -- 20 man instance 7:30pm
Thu -- Day off
Fri --- BwL 7:30pm (reseted on Tue - Razorgore and Vael)
Sat -- BwL 7:30pm (suppression room and BL attempts)
Sun -- MC 7:30pm
The schedule above is focused in MC. I am suggesting Sunday because is an easier day for everyone to make it considering most of us still need their full tier 1 set. One of the reasons of our slow progress in BwL is the lack of appropriate gear.
As much "aggressive" as it looks, it may or may not be according to your will to raid or not.
In other words, it’s absolutely not an aggressive raid schedule, if you want to raid MC/BwL 2-3 days a week you can still make it without any individual prejudice. Most of us - including myself - won’t be able to attend every raid, which is normal, but I’m pretty sure this will make the GUILD progress faster and we shall not look to our individual goals instead.
-
10-21-2006, 09:20 PM #37
- Join Date
- Aug 2004
- Location
- Hollywood, FL
- Age
- 35
- Posts
- 2,420
Re: BwL attempts...
Sacred;
your Raid schedule is just awesome in my opinion. Only thing I would change is the Thursday night (day off).
There should never be a day off. Or more nicely put, there should never be a day where there's nothing on the raid schedule. Why?? Because TG has like 200 WoW accounts to its name. There are also many potential Raid Leaders within its ranks. There's also PLENTY of content we as a group could explore and many of us just MIGHT only have thurs. nights as an option.
So, that being said - "days off" should be the time when unlikely Raid Leaders step up and fill in the blanks on instances that havent been cleared. Wednesday's 20-man should be fully cleared by the end of Thursday night IMO. "Days off" could also be lords, world bosses, and PvP raids.
As for BWL, I think if it's up on the raid schedule as much as possible, eventually it'll stick.
It's really the CLs job to fill these raids, not the RLs. Quite frankly, the CLs have been letting us down in this responsibility (sorry, luv ya, but tru). I dont really care about who's geared, I just want spaces filled - it's embarrasing when we're gimped because of balance or lack of bodies. So PLEASE, encourage people to sign up - dont scare them away with tales of bad gear.
Razor doesnt truly need gear... Vael is just dmg mostly except in key positions. Suppression room looks to be "heal the aoe-er". If we're not ready for these 3 mobs... we wont EVER be. So if you've got a class FULL of 60's, there's really no reason 4-5 of em cant make these raids. Just organize it; send em emails if u have to; call em at home if u can.
geez
-
10-23-2006, 12:20 PM #38
- Join Date
- Mar 2006
- Posts
- 70
Re: BwL attempts...
I'd hate to see us go to a "set" schedule like this. If we went to the schedule above, I would never make an Ony raid as Tuesdays are bad for me. One of the things I like about the way we raid now is that the Ony, AQ, and ZG raids float on the schedule. It allows those of us that can't raid everynight the ability to still enjoy all the end game instances.
Originally Posted by Sacredlord
-
10-23-2006, 12:33 PM #39
- Join Date
- Jun 2006
- Location
- Saint Louis, MO
- Age
- 34
- Posts
- 881
Re: BwL attempts...
No thanks, I will stick to my 3-4 days a week, I have no desire to raid that hardcore.
Sajaman/|TG-Irr|Sajier - WoW Resto Shaman, BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic
TG WoW Home Page | TG Required Reading | The Irregulars | Irregulars Forum
-
10-23-2006, 12:51 PM #40
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
- Location
- Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
- Age
- 32
- Posts
- 286
Re: BwL attempts...
Rhiessa,
As you can see, in this schedule I suggested Thu as a day off so we can easily keep rotating the minor instances days, that will be pretty easy to do.
As long as the guildies commit themselves with the BwL attempts, that’s what I’m trying to push on this topic.
Soon, we’ll be able to finish BwL in two days and Monday won’t be necessary, might be a 20 man instance, AQ-40 or whatever the guild decides.
-
10-23-2006, 01:02 PM #41
- Join Date
- Jan 2006
- Location
- Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
- Age
- 32
- Posts
- 286
Re: BwL attempts...
Sajier,
This is VERY far from anything hardcore... I’d never preset a hardcore schedule here since I know that this is not TG’s objective.
Yesterdays´ BwL everybody was like: "Let’s come back tomorrow and kill Broodlord if necessary...”.
That’s the spirit!
By the way, if you take a look on our regular schedule we have more than 4 raids every week, so I can’t understand your point when you said that this suggested schedule was hardcore…
If it doesn’t match your individual interests it’s another story, but this is by far, a very casual schedule.
SL.
-
10-23-2006, 01:22 PM #42
- Join Date
- May 2003
- Location
- Minneapolis, MN
- Posts
- 1,735
Re: BwL attempts...
My 2 cents...
Scheduling 5 (or more) 40 man raids a week is a substantial step in the direction of hardcore, certainly more than we have been comfortable with thus far.
We have routinely done 4 days per week recently (MC=1, BWL=2, Ony=1), but the Ony raids have been quick (1-1.5 hours)...and until recently, the BWL raids were under 2 hours.
While I love the enthusiasm for progress and for doing more, it feels to me like stepping up the raiding schedule takes us into a more demanding place, one that feels more like "work" than "fun" to me.
Regardless of pace, we WILL get to the content and the boss fights we want. We have evolved our raid schedule through trial and error to fit the membership we have. While I'm open to considering changes, I am on the side of "we're about right" with our present routine.Beep
Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. - (Isaac Asimov)
-
10-23-2006, 01:53 PM #43
- Join Date
- Mar 2006
- Posts
- 70
Re: BwL attempts...
I completely agree with Beep on this one. While I appreciate what you're trying to do Sacred, I am happy with things as they are. I completely understand if others want to make a harder push forward for BWL, but personally I wouldn't be able to meet this aggressive of a schedule. Originally Posted by beep
-
10-23-2006, 02:36 PM #44
- Join Date
- Jun 2006
- Location
- Saint Louis, MO
- Age
- 34
- Posts
- 881
Re: BwL attempts...
Yup going from 3 40 man to 5 40 man is a huge huge jump. Thus my statement on hardcore raiding.
Sajaman/|TG-Irr|Sajier - WoW Resto Shaman, BF2/BF2142 Assault/Medic
TG WoW Home Page | TG Required Reading | The Irregulars | Irregulars Forum
-
10-23-2006, 02:52 PM #45
- Join Date
- Aug 2006
- Location
- Deerfield, IL
- Age
- 33
- Posts
- 213
Re: BwL attempts...
/agreed (with Beep, Rhiessa, Sajier, etc)
70 Priest
Reply With QuoteThread Information
Users Browsing this Thread
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
- You may not post new threads
- You may not post replies
- You may not post attachments
- You may not edit your posts
Bookmarks