Re: Request for interest

**Tarenth** · 09-17-2007, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Xyris

Double post was during the maintenance today so thats prob what caused that, and as far as calling me a noob? wth LOL im no noob, yes my hunter is 61 almost 62 but what would be the point in running all 70's through a naxx raid aside from everyone seeing it? we dont get anything from it at all aside from repair bills and a headache + a waisted day of 25 man content/ kara raiding. so i guess if my hunter isnt alowed in to a naxx raid count me out, at least some gear would upgrade him a bit since i only work on him at a very slow pace.

as far as "not welcome" thanks tarenth way to make people feel like part of a team...

I think Xyris is seeing things. I swear I go back and look through all the posts and I haven't the foggiest idea what he's talking about.

What you mention is exactly the reason why we haven't gotten much interest or why people say "I like that idea" then don't go. Any venture into Naxx would be purely for fun and without any material benefit to the people going. There might be some educational investment for when it is re-introduced as a 25-man level 80 instance with WOTLK, but there really is no point to going now aside from seeing everything.

Yes you have a newly 61 hunter. Congrats. Your hunter will soon be level 62. I can assume you have the usual 'leveling up' gear right? Looking at Armory you have 5484 hp, 3225 mana, 874 RAP with a 16.56% crit chance. You also have a 13 hit rating for 1.25% hit chance which is below the 5% minimum raiding requirement at 60, but that's beside the point and we can ignore that a bit.

Patchwerk, the 'gear check' entry door for Naxx is a level 60 Gruul...in 7 minutes. A level 70 T1 raiding (that's Karazhan/Gruul/Magtheridon) geared tank will take 2k/3k per attack with 6k hateful strikes on the offtank. He has roughly 3,850,000 hp and with the 7 minute enrage we need a ~9500 combined raid DPS to down him in time. Of course, that sounds like a lot of DPS and very little damage, but he is still a 40-man raid so its divided by how many people you have and back then tanks had roughly half the hp they did now because of stamina revaluing.

I guess if a large enough raid wanted dead weight it would be possible for an undergeared character to go along, but the instance was hard at 60 with 40 people in the equivilant to level 68 blues so a 61 in greens is pushing it a bit. You have to keep in mind that Naxx is at the very end of the level 60 raiding progression. You first got gear in MC and Onyxia (level 62 equivilant items), then went into BWL (level 64-65), next was AQ40 (65-66), and last was Naxx (68-69). Having the mind set of "I'm over 60 so I must be good enough" is skipping that entire progression that people made over several months at 60 collecting gear and akin to a newly made level 70 in greens and blues saying "Alright, I'm 70 and I want to raid the Black Temple now".

**Wisperwynd** · 09-18-2007, 12:14 AM

I would love to do a Naxx raid. I would suggest if u were going to do it to try for a week night like monday because weekends dont go over very well for raiding. Do a poll on the squads that normal run that night and I bet they would be game. It would be a lot of fun. once a month might be a bit much since we all have our normal raids but every now and then ...the ever 3 months might work but hey shoot it out there people might be up for once a month.

**Arkamis** · 09-18-2007, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Tarenth

Patchwerk, the 'gear check' entry door for Naxx is a level 60 Gruul...in 7 minutes. A level 70 T1 raiding (that's Karazhan/Gruul/Magtheridon) geared tank will take 2k/3k per attack with 6k hateful strikes on the offtank. He has roughly 3,850,000 hp and with the 7 minute enrage we need a ~9500 combined raid DPS to down him in time. Of course, that sounds like a lot of DPS and very little damage, but he is still a 40-man raid so its divided by how many people you have and back then tanks had roughly half the hp they did now because of stamina revaluing.

You neglect to mention that Hateful Strike is done once every 1.25 seconds.

But Patchwerk only melees the main tank for about 600 these days.

**Tarenth** · 09-18-2007, 08:44 PM

That would probably be because you have T2 (SSC/TE) tanks. TG still only has T1 tanks.

Also...ouch? 12 k every 2.5 seconds is nasty.

**caldwelljt** · 09-18-2007, 08:45 PM

I love all the input! :-)

As far as getting gear? I kind of look at it this way:

If we took 70s in, with blue/purple 70s gear, then it kinds like having premade 60s in T3 gear.

To me, it's functionally no different to have fun in AQ40 or Naxx than it is to have fun in Gruul/Eye/Hijal/etc. They present the same challenges, only you don't have to spend all the time "Gearing up" and as a trade off, you get gear that is only "token" worthy. (i.e. stuff that looks cool)

**Quarath** · 09-19-2007, 05:10 PM

I like revisiting old haunts or old/new places. I Have never seen Naxx or AQ40.

**Arkamis** · 09-20-2007, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tarenth

That would probably be because you have T2 (SSC/TE) tanks. TG still only has T1 tanks.

Also...ouch? 12 k every 2.5 seconds is nasty.

You only need 1 HS tank. Healing quantities are so large that a single heal can cover one HS. Factor in 4 healers on the OT and you're fine.

**Manny** · 09-21-2007, 12:18 AM

Remember, we weren't able to handle Razorgore at level 70 with 65's thrown in the mix

61 in Naxx = death.

**Arkamis** · 09-21-2007, 01:21 AM

Razor is still bugged with the unending spawns. But have a pally toss on a shield and have everyone clump up in the middle + consecrate tank with AOE is a definite recipe for success.

**caldwelljt** · 09-21-2007, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Arkamis

Razor is still bugged with the unending spawns. But have a pally toss on a shield and have everyone clump up in the middle + consecrate tank with AOE is a definite recipe for success.

I'm not much of a raid strats guy myself, however, are there any post-BC resources for new strats @ 70 in the old content?

**Manny** · 09-21-2007, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by caldwelljt

I'm not much of a raid strats guy myself, however, are there any post-BC resources for new strats @ 70 in the old content?

Probably... but honestly, since most of the fights in BWL, AQ40 and Naxx revolved more around a fixed strategy then how awesome you were, the same strats will work... there's just more room for error.

Ark, does the Pally tank thing work in Razor's room? Doesn't our consecrate stop doing max damage at about 20 mobs?

**Arkamis** · 09-21-2007, 06:36 PM

Consecration is not AOE capped. Besides, you will NEVER have 20 mobs up in Razorgore's room, ever. Like, seriously Seed of Corruption is haxx, and you just kind of have people kill things, and like, have people heal things, and stuff. Like, you kill stuff way faster than it can spawn nowadays.

**Manny** · 09-23-2007, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Arkamis

Consecration is not AOE capped. Besides, you will NEVER have 20 mobs up in Razorgore's room, ever. Like, seriously Seed of Corruption is haxx, and you just kind of have people kill things, and like, have people heal things, and stuff. Like, you kill stuff way faster than it can spawn nowadays.

... So essentially, we do that thing with the stuff, and kill the things that have the things with the faces... and.. stuff.

You are a tactical Genius.

On an unrelated note, Holy Wrath should not be AOE capped... because I thought that seeing 30 or 40 +1700 holy damage hits on my screen was HILARIOUS.

I miss holy wrath farming Strat.

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