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Old 05-29-2008, 02:55 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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Re: Paladin Healing Discussion (Or, How quickly do you mash YOUR Flash of Light butto

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Unfortunately, with the current state of endgame, Paladin healing is pretty much worthless as it stands...paladins really suck right now, and it's just mechanics.
Thanks Ark for posting your thoughts on our forums....Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
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Old 05-29-2008, 03:16 AM   #17 (permalink)
 
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Thanks Ark for posting your thoughts on our forums....Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
No need to be overly mean, Yotion. I'm sure Arkamis means well. He just doesn't remember what good healadin can do.

I'm pretty sure that we'll be able to handle whatever is thrown at us, And if not, we'll adapt.

Thanks for the info Ark, we'll see how it all works out.
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I assume you use grid, but do you have the mdo for grid that displays expected incoming heals? I know as a healer on that najentus fight it helped a tonne for me b/c I'd see if the person was already being healed up and whatnot so I didn't waste my oh so precious tankadin healing mana.
Is this the Clique that Luna mentions? I've got Grid and would be interested in knowing what to add to it to make it more useful.

I was off-healing with my 69 prot pally last night in Heroic Mana Tombs, with our guild healer on her resto druid main-healing, and I felt pretty ineffective. (I was more ineffective as DPS or tank, though, so I took a healing slot. And dinged 70 while in there. And seal of justice was at least keeping the mobs stunned a lot.)
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Re: Paladin Healing Discussion (Or, How quickly do you mash YOUR Flash of Light butto

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Is this the Clique that Luna mentions? I've got Grid and would be interested in knowing what to add to it to make it more useful.
Clique lets you bind any spell to a combination of key/mouse combinations. Then with your mouse pointing at the party member/raid member icon, you can heal (or whatever) that party member with your chosen spell.

On my resto shaman, shift/left button is Healing Wave, shift/middle button is Chain Heal, shift/right button is Lesser Healing Wave. Ctrl/(mouse buttons) are down-ranked versions of the same heals. Alt/(mouse buttons) are variously earth shield/purge/cure poison.
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Old 05-30-2008, 06:04 AM   #21 (permalink)
 
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Is this the Clique that Luna mentions? I've got Grid and would be interested in knowing what to add to it to make it more useful.

I was off-healing with my 69 prot pally last night in Heroic Mana Tombs, with our guild healer on her resto druid main-healing, and I felt pretty ineffective. (I was more ineffective as DPS or tank, though, so I took a healing slot. And dinged 70 while in there. And seal of justice was at least keeping the mobs stunned a lot.)
Beep explained Clique, I use a different Click2cast mod, same basic functionality.
It's worth trying, but no matter what kind of mod you use, in a 5 man instance, a pally will ALWAYS be outstripped by a Resto druid. All of their healing spells are more efficient and flashy than our spells. Quicker, too.

The mod that Aegyn is talking about is pretty boss, I've never used it with grid, but i did try something like it once. It essentially shows you if Priest A is healing Tank B. the mod I used actually gave me an estimation of how much Tank B was going to be healed for, and would then show me how much of my heal would be overheal.

I stopped using it after a tank died a horrible death because the mod malfunctioned and told me that all my heals would be horrible overheal.

Not wanting horrible overheal, i just sat back and watched the fireworks.
Until the tank BECAME the fireworks.

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Old 05-30-2008, 08:33 AM   #22 (permalink)
 
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Re: Paladin Healing Discussion (Or, How quickly do you mash YOUR Flash of Light butto

you probably already know this, but xperl which i like very much has feature to set bars to different transparency that is range based. you look at a sea of health bars and >30 can be set to any degree of fade. Granted my range is 40 but you know right away who is likely to be close to cast

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Grid has a couple addons that make it useful. I use:

Grid Mana Bars - Places a small mana bar on the left side of the box
Grid Status HoTs - Believe this is the one that makes my HoTs appear Green/Yellow/Red depending on time left before they are done.
GridStatusIncomingHeals - A huge plus when it comes to overheal and knowing when others are casting on your target. Recently this got updated so it shows the total amount that the person will be healed for...this includes you, but also adds other healers if they are in the process of casting also...

I use Click2Cast also.
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No need to be overly mean, Yotion. I'm sure Arkamis means well. He just doesn't remember what good healadin can do.

I'm pretty sure that we'll be able to handle whatever is thrown at us, And if not, we'll adapt.

Thanks for the info Ark, we'll see how it all works out.
Hey manny. This is all part of my secret plan to get you to spec ret. It's only been what, 3 years now? I still remember when you took that Zin'Rokh!

But yeah, paladin healing is great up to Illidan, and it's actually pretty fancy on Brutallus, but it sucks everywhere else. The thing is, back in the day, they nerfed Illumination to put us on par with other healers. In the early days of BC you'd bring one priest for fort, and that was it. Of course, that's before people knew how to Lifebloom and spam brainheal, but priests were certainly weak until the COH buff.

Unfortunately, those changes and the latest content developments were too far separated, so it wasn't that Paladins got nerfed, they just had no ability to adapt. The real problem isn't the lack of healing diversity, per se, but moreso the absurdly stringent DPS requirements coupled with heavy raid damage AND Sunwell Radiance. You just don't have the ability these days to drop a DPSer to pick up an extra healer who doesn't have armor buffs, multi-target heals, or HoTs.

Fortunately, Prot is a very strong tree, and Ret, while still marginalized on Alliance side, does have a place if supported appropriately. So gobble up off-spec gear as much as you can. It's increasingly useful. Besides, it'll come in handy in a few months for leveling. Nothing's better for XP than chain AOE grinding instances.
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Interesting thread on development of Grid incoming heals and incoming health addons:

http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=11083.0
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Re: Paladin Healing Discussion (Or, How quickly do you mash YOUR Flash of Light butto

I still have that sword in my bank. right beside my Quel. I finally got around to putting + Heal on that one so that the noob warriors that think they're awesome get mad at me.


I'm currently at a cross roads concerning the game however. Things have fuzzed my desire to play, and I find myself being pretty bored, (except when raiding.)

I don't know, I'll discuss things with the raid leaders, maybe a spec change will keep me going.


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Hey manny. This is all part of my secret plan to get you to spec ret. It's only been what, 3 years now? I still remember when you took that Zin'Rokh!

But yeah, paladin healing is great up to Illidan, and it's actually pretty fancy on Brutallus, but it sucks everywhere else. The thing is, back in the day, they nerfed Illumination to put us on par with other healers. In the early days of BC you'd bring one priest for fort, and that was it. Of course, that's before people knew how to Lifebloom and spam brainheal, but priests were certainly weak until the COH buff.

Unfortunately, those changes and the latest content developments were too far separated, so it wasn't that Paladins got nerfed, they just had no ability to adapt. The real problem isn't the lack of healing diversity, per se, but moreso the absurdly stringent DPS requirements coupled with heavy raid damage AND Sunwell Radiance. You just don't have the ability these days to drop a DPSer to pick up an extra healer who doesn't have armor buffs, multi-target heals, or HoTs.

Fortunately, Prot is a very strong tree, and Ret, while still marginalized on Alliance side, does have a place if supported appropriately. So gobble up off-spec gear as much as you can. It's increasingly useful. Besides, it'll come in handy in a few months for leveling. Nothing's better for XP than chain AOE grinding instances.
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