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So I'm in line at Wal-Mart this evening to pick up some catfood and one or two other items. Standing in the express lane and it's around 10 PM and there are two women ahead of me, with two kids, pushing one cart that has to have at least 40-50 items. In the express lane - 20 items maximum.

I tell this story first because I am lately struggling to wrap my head around some of the stupidity I'm seeing lately in the world. For example, there seems to be this wonderful movement going on - at least here in the US - where people do not want to compromise. They want what they want and they'll be damned if anyone stops them. I have even seen something similar to this show up around TG before, where people do not want to work together to make something great but would rather, instead, stick to the course they think is best and damn the rest.

Now some call me an idealist. Others call me a moderate. I'm not quite sure just what I am. But what I do know is that there seems to be some sort of polarization going on in the world. People are less willing to work together and more willing to do what benefits them. And it really saddens me to see this.

So, am I seeing things, or is this something that really does exist? Am I over-thinking things? I really wish I knew.

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  1. Ferris Bueller's Avatar
    I think its just more of a gestalt moment about one of those facts of life that we all have from time to time. The problem with being human is that we're human, we make mistakes and dont get all the good knowledge from the get-go. Some people never get it at all. Those little realizations that we have from time to time are fun and exploratory, as I think you've found through this one.

    But I so agree, people are very polarized when it comes to their views. That stems from another one of humanity's great fallacies: we're greedy. We want for ourselves and are selfish enough to think we deserve it. When it comes to viewpoints, the vast majority of the human race is the same way: we believe in exactly what suits us and why should we bother to compromise when our ideas are obviously the best and most correct.

    Although I have definitely been in your position when it comes to the walmart story. Always brings to mind the "cutting in line" scene from Me, Myself and Irene.
  2. SilentSunshine's Avatar
    From an opposite viewpoint - the person who would hold up an express line for so many items is unthinking. Greed, or self-interest, when not combined with harming others is what is good in the world. If that woman had been truly selfish, she would have respected herself and not clearly disobeyed the establishment's protocol. She was in the wrong, she was harming others and harming herself by the first two points. I would not call her greedy but unthinking & unselfish.
  3. Vortex421's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller
    I think its just more of a gestalt moment about one of those facts of life that we all have from time to time. The problem with being human is that we're human, we make mistakes and dont get all the good knowledge from the get-go. Some people never get it at all. Those little realizations that we have from time to time are fun and exploratory, as I think you've found through this one.

    But I so agree, people are very polarized when it comes to their views. That stems from another one of humanity's great fallacies: we're greedy. We want for ourselves and are selfish enough to think we deserve it. When it comes to viewpoints, the vast majority of the human race is the same way: we believe in exactly what suits us and why should we bother to compromise when our ideas are obviously the best and most correct.
    I just get this impression that the polarization is greater today than it has been in my fairly short memory. For example, politics: Whatever happened to the great compromises or compromisers? Whatever happened to both political parties working for the good of the country? Yes, there is always contention between the two but in my mind it seems to be far more today than it ever has.

    Unfortunately, this "gestalt moment" as you put it has left me utterly depressed and feeling like there is no hope left for humanity. It well and truly sucks.
  4. Greyed's Avatar
    Another way to think of this is; why is compromise exalted? In a great many things where it really doesn't matter compromise is a good thing. However on some things compromise is not an option. Take some of the polarizing issues in politics. How do you meet half way on abortion; esp. if you hold that the act is murder? Or meet half-way on gun-control when you presume all guns are evil? IE, when dealing in moral absolutes there are going to be positions on which compromise is not possible.

    The problem here is that more and more issues are moral absolutes to most people. The small stuff's already been hashed out. The small stuff is the stuff on which we can compromise.
  5. Ribbons's Avatar
    Maybe you need to write up some ribbons nominations to help bring people back to the simple pleasures in life....Just a though.
  6. Vortex421's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ribbons
    Maybe you need to write up some ribbons nominations to help bring people back to the simple pleasures in life....Just a though.
    You know, I wish someone would write a ribbon nomination for me. It's been two years since I've gotten one.
  7. Vortex421's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyed
    Another way to think of this is; why is compromise exalted? In a great many things where it really doesn't matter compromise is a good thing. However on some things compromise is not an option. Take some of the polarizing issues in politics. How do you meet half way on abortion; esp. if you hold that the act is murder? Or meet half-way on gun-control when you presume all guns are evil? IE, when dealing in moral absolutes there are going to be positions on which compromise is not possible.

    The problem here is that more and more issues are moral absolutes to most people. The small stuff's already been hashed out. The small stuff is the stuff on which we can compromise.
    This worries me far more. Not that I want people to not hold to their beliefs, but if we have reached a point where all beliefs are moral absolutes then something's gotta give. You cannot have two sides exerting pressures on one another for this long, generating this much animosity, and not have something really bad happen. Sooner or later one side is going to snap, and when it does bad things will happen.
  8. Harlequin's Avatar
    Heh, don't get me started on Wal-Mart. Like you, as if it's not bad enough I'm in the express register line with my 12-pack in one hand and loaf of bread in the other, behind a jerk-off with a cart full of crap, would it kill them to open another one or two of the 27 registers that aren't being used?
  9. Eclipse's Avatar
    Wal-Mart shouldn't be used as the baseline for human decency in society. Despite being the largest retail outfit in America, few people seem to care about others once on their premises.

    Practically though, at 10 pm most lanes are shutdown at Wal-mart and the express lanes are often the only ones available. Just nitpicking there, I don't know what was going at the time.

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