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    Ok, I have had it up to my neck with the unbalanced teams. I know its not really anyones fault but we need to make a concrete rule about unbalanced teams like now. I am sick to death of seeing 5 on 6 games and the new player joining the 6 person team making it 5 on 7 and then having issues with leaving.

    I am also getting tired of when the teams are uneven the immediate cries of 'teams!' going unanswered. We need to set something up, be it a rule or plugin, that will curb this issue. Maybe the last man on the list, or the person to join most recently has to switch, something...anything.

    I just got out of a game because an alien dropped and no marine wanted to change over. I ended up hopping to the alien team ( i was comm ) and then the marines were all 'gg' and 'well this is over now', so I left feeling disgusted and frustrated. This has been happening alot more often recently and personally I'm getting fed up with it.

    We even have self-styled 'professional team-switchers' who answer the call when its cried, which shouldnt have to be the case.

    And yes, I know that in small games ( 5 on 5 ) losing a player can cripple a team, be it marine or alien. As a marine, you really cannot afford to lose a man or be a man down in that small a game as you just dont have enough marines in the field. As an alien you lose all that res, or sometimes that fade you have has to switch which can kill your game. Its rediculous and getting old.

    Either folks need to realize when they need to switch or we need to set up a rule or something, cause its silly and ruins the games almost 100% of the time.

    Ugh.


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  • #2
    Re: Teams

    i agree with tycho :)


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    • #3
      Re: Teams

      Well tycho, you have two options.
      1) Deal with the imbalance by holding your head high or being the one who switches, or
      2) Exercise some of those admin muscles. Maybe Wyz can craft a plugin to make switching the person with the least time on the server to the smaller team, and make it a one button command (like "bind f11 amx_swaplast")
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      • #4
        Re: Teams

        damn pubs root of all problems.

        BTW tycho we admins do have that plug, amx_marine "playername" I use it all the time :)
        Last edited by Emanon; 04-27-2004, 07:58 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: Teams

          Ok, here's the rule. It's been unofficial for some time. The person listed last on the scoreboard for the larger team switches to the smaller team. The person listed last on the scoreboard typically (no, not always, but life isn't perfect) has done the least for the larger team so far during the game (and, although I'll remind you that it's irrelevant, has often been playing the least amount of time). Also, as opposed to worrying about who joined last, determining the person listed last on the scoreboard is immediately possible by every player.

          Admin muscle is right. You other admins need to take notes. Notice how many complaints we get about me and admin abuse: none. When something needs to be done, DO IT. amx_alien, amx_marine, amx_readyplayer, amx_random... USE THE COMMANDS YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN. People might bitch but, if you pay close attention, you'll find that, OVERALL, everyone is happier when you do this quickly and reliably.

          If you're an admin, your greatest measurement of success is often the count of players on the server who don't even realize you just solved a problem. Note the problem, fix it, and game on. If it's 4v7, nothing gets folks' attention faster than switching two people from one team to another without warning. Yeah, maybe that game is hopelessly ruined, but when the same thing happens this Thursday night at 7:34 PM, maybe people will remember tonight and fix it themselves next time.
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          • #6
            Re: Teams

            Wyz did you turn team balance off? Since the last update, it seems anybody can go on any team regardless of how many players it has..

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            • #7
              Re: Teams

              I second the need for more admin intervention in teams, and I hope this new policy is enforced.
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              • #8
                Re: Teams

                Marines screams for the odd-man or whatever tend to be dealth with immediately (99% of the time). It's the aliens who really get jacked. Loosing even one res holder can trash your game.

                And I can't STAND it when someone says "Aliens don't need odd man/even teams, this game is over." I've come back from one hive and JPs swarming our hive because of some fluke, and it felt damn good. Without even teams: this borders on impossibility.

                No matter what, I don't want to hear that BS: Teams should be even no matter if the marines have turret farms with 500 turrets surrounding the last alien hive. Loosing due to being outmatched is great, loosing because your team is full of dumb pubs is frustrating, playing here and loosing because no one wants to switch teams is down-right rage inducing.

                This is why I started the "Do I talk to much thread." Some people have discussed that I should "settle down" on the server. TS, I am going to continue to "piss and moan" about this until I get my damn 1 (Heck, even 2 one time) meat body.

                BTW: I commed my first "real" game today and actually won. I would chalk it up to a fluke because the aliens just didn't have it together, but I had my own problems With almost half my team running around the map aimlessly. The regs did great (you guys saved that game and you are awsome), I hate pubs. 1234^5 is a dead man if I ever see him again.

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                • #9
                  Re: Teams

                  So goes the the soap we call NS.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Teams

                    Yeah no kidding right?

                    Though one of the best things about TG is that we are all reasonable enough to not stay pissy at each other and have some awesome games again tomorrow.

                    Though every loss ( for either team ) being blamed on imbalances, or this or that gets folks angry...what happened to good old honest hard-won skill and teamwork winning?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Teams

                      Only thing imbalenced about our server is the fact that some times, Dean and I end up on the same team. =^.^=

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                      • #12
                        Re: Teams

                        i thought drama was only part of the clan scene.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Teams

                          Originally posted by Psi_RedEye22
                          I don't blame imbalances on skill, that's all human error (unless some sort of stupid ass script is run, like that triple-jump bunnyhop garbage). Yes, Nothing is an amazing Fade/Lerk/Skulk/Marine. Who cares. You saw a few games ago, you all did, we worked around him, got the Aliens down to no hives (ns_veil). The only imbalances are sheer numerical factors and pub stupidity, nothing more.
                          That was an awesome game, Tycho was an awesome lerk, and pokerface kept the hives under watch, he's my favorte gorge. There was awesome teamwork on the alien side, and awesome team work on the marines.
                          - 52

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                          • #14
                            Re: Teams

                            Originally posted by Sasuke
                            i thought drama was only part of the clan scene.
                            Thats no excuse for being childish though... and you were being childish..

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                            • #15
                              Re: Teams

                              Iíve played a couple games recently where I have switched teams up to 4 times in one game, it gets beyond annoying. I would love to introduce some pubs who visit TG to my fist, unfortunately the internet has not implemented that feature yet. Game we just finished now was 5-7 for roughly 9 minutes, I would have said something, but I found it amusing the rines didnít notice they had 2 extra for that long.

                              I don't know about others, but I look at the scoreboard constantly, I don't see how people don't notice imbalances, Iím starting to get awfully tired of it.

                              Other thing that's got me down lately is lack of teamwork on aliens. If someone asks for help in a hive, chances are its needed, get there before a phase is up and its too late. Also parasite is an extremely powerful yet underused ability. If everyone on aliens would just parasite 1 marine, you would have nice and easy intel. Maybe my problems with the aliens don't apply to those who frequent TG, but there has been more and more public players around lately.

                              Anyway, I think i'll need a need to find a new game for a while soon, or ns is gonna drive me crazy :).
                              Last edited by Polska; 04-28-2004, 12:46 AM.


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