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  • End Daylight Saving Time?

    I hate having to fiddle with clocks twice a year. Time should be a standard, not something Congress fiddles with the way they want to change Pi to be 3.0.

    Here's a blog from EE Times that agrees with me:

    http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-b...?cid=NL_EELife

    Towards the end of the blog comments some take this one step further and suggest universal adoption of a single time zone, such as GMT or UTC. Unix (and later Linux) has long used GMT internally and only displays local time based on a setting for each user. This means that Unix machines all around the world can share files without any ambiguity about their timestamps. This isn't true of Windows servers, which always run in local timezones.

    The problem is made worse by recent attempts to fiddle with when DST changes. Twice a year we get a Windows Update (and also a Linux patch) that changes the DST database to deal with all the governments all over the world changing when DST happens in their country. Watches and clocks that automatically handle DST break because of that, because they don't get the update.

    (Also near the end of the blog comments people finally note the irritating spelling error I caught in the article regarding an insect.)

    More on DST:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

    http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html

    And just to show how long this has been a pet peeve of mine:

    http://matureasskickers.net/wbb2/thr...?threadid=3387
    Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

    snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

    Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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    Re: End Daylight Saving Time?

    Any discussion of time standards should also take note of the Y2K38 bug:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

    This problem is already affecting software. See the article for what it did to AOL, for example.

    If you're a programmer, take a look at the Boost time library. It's got some pretty nice abstractions for dealing with both very large and very small time values, and separates the concept of a point in time from that of a duration.

    http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/releas...date_time.html
    Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

    snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

    Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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    • #3
      Re: End Daylight Saving Time?

      I say keep daylight saving time, all year long. No more "falling back", as I don't like it getting dark at 5pm.

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      • #4
        Re: End Daylight Saving Time?

        Note that "keeping" DST year-round really amounts to just mandating that businesses/schools/farms operate on a particular set of hours. You could use any time zone you want (UTC makes the most sense to me) and decouple the "time of day" from when the sun is on the horizon. There's no particular reason 0600 has to be local sunup and 1800 has to be local sundown. You don't have to change any time pieces, so there's no equipment upgrade to perform. Hopefully all banking systems run their internal transactions on UTC, so there shouldn't be any software to change there. And since everyone already changes their time of operation twice a year, changing it once to a radically different time isn't that big a deal. Everything just gets much simpler.
        Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

        snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

        Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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        • #5
          Re: End Daylight Saving Time?

          It gets annoying having it become dark so much earlier, for example today my friends and I had to leave the court at 6 because we could not even see the hoop or the ball, when otherwise we would have had an extra hour.



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          • #6
            Re: End Daylight Saving Time?

            Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
            Any discussion of time standards should also take note of the Y2K38 bug:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
            Really? The Y2K38 bug? I really really hope thats a joke. Ok, so it caused AOL a hiccup. I dont seem to recall AOL shutting down or going bankrupt over it. Matter of fact, due to its relative antiquity, my parents still use it.

            Furthermore, lets examine the timeframe here. This great cataclysm is supposed to happen 28 years from now. Thats as old as I am. So lets rewind time based on that. 28 years ago, when I was born was declared by Time magazine to be "the year of the computer", as seen in this article:
            http://www.time.com/time/subscriber/...ries/1982.html
            and heres a couple quotes from that article:
            Originally posted by Time
            In contrast to the $487,000 paid for ENIAC, a top IBM personal computer today costs about $4,000
            and
            Originally posted by Time
            Estimates for the number of personal computers in use by the end of the century run as high as 80 million.
            Illustrating a little more, a $3000+ computer in 1982 such as the Digital Equipment Rainbow-100 used an intel 8088 microprocessor with a maximum speed of 8 MHz. Fast forward to present (or semi present).

            As opposed to what the article supposed about the 80 million computers by 2000, there were an estimated 54 million HOUSEHOLDS with one or more computers in the US alone (source: http://www.kestenbaum.com/Census%20report.pdf ) and according to the computer almanac, there were over 168 million personal computers in use in the US alone (source: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/DianeEnnefils.shtml ). Thats just our country, which completely dwarfs the 1982 projection for global use. By today's standards, a computer that costs 3000+ bucks would be running any range of processors that could be up to 1000-3000 times faster than 28 years ago. Not to mention that any architecture we used back then for software OR hardware has long been relegated to computer history textbooks.

            So what's my point? We have 28 years. Given the ridiculous amount of technological advancement in the last three decades, what would possibly lead ANYONE to believe that computers in 2038 will resemble anything we use now or have a snowballs chance in hell of running on the same architecture? Its preposterous. The idea that this would be a major problem is almost absurd.


            Now, at the original topic, I dont see any need to keep DST around. It was developed as a tool for extending hours to support a largely agrarian culture, which we dont have anymore. So why bother with it?

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            • #7
              Re: End Daylight Saving Time?

              On a more light-hearted note, we missed the Unix time 1,234,567,890:

              http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/unix-lovers-to/

              http://xkcd.com/607/

              http://xkcd.com/376/

              (Hover mouse over xkcd cartoons for hidden message.)
              Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

              snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

              Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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              • #8
                Re: End Daylight Saving Time?

                Maybe we should call it Greenwich Muslim Time.

                http://www.religiondispatches.org/ar...h_mecca_time_/

                This summer, the world’s largest clock began its first official duty: marking time during Ramadan in Mecca—Islam’s holiest city. This colossal clock bears a striking resemblance to Big Ben, and the tower that hosts it (courtesy of the Canadian-based Fairmont hotel operation) is six times taller than the British landmark, making it the second tallest building in the world, visible for 16 miles.

                All well and good. One can marvel at human ingenuity and move on. However, what makes this case interesting is the fact that after the inauguration of the clock, there were calls from many Muslims to replace Greenwich Mean Time (GMT)—the world standard for 125 years—with Mecca Time. Some have argued that GMT is the remnant of a colonial heritage, and it is time to turn over a new page.
                The pseudo-science (code for BS) is thick in this one:

                Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

                snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

                Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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                • #9
                  Re: End Daylight Saving Time?

                  From 2007: A bill in the UK to make DST permanent.

                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...ome-front.html

                  The complaint about darkness during school could be addressed by legally mandating a change in school schedules on particular dates. (They already go from zero hours per day to some fixed number of hours, so another schedule change shouldn't be much more onerous.) Businesses would be compelled to track that because of the need to accommodate employees who are parents. Or they could ignore the school schedule change and use a consistent clock throughout the year.

                  Looks like the bill failed:

                  http://www.epolitix.com/legislation/...d-bill-200708/
                  Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

                  snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

                  Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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