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    I'm currently trying to build a good amount of stockpiled food for 3 people to survive for hopefully a few months without outside sources of food or water in a SHTF type of scenario. Right now I'm mainly focusing on food and water purification, but not stored water just yet. I plan to just get bulk amounts of canned food, mostly beans and as well as vegetables and some meat, but mostly fish (tuna) and beans and nuts for protein. I also plan to store lots of grains and nuts. So, I figured I'd make a thread on here about this subject since I'm sure many others on this forum also have some food stored for a SHTF scenario.

    So mainly, I'm looking for advice from these people. Also topics to get into would be gathering water from the environment, and sources of bulk food online. I've done some google searching for online stores that offer bulk food, but the ones I've come across usually require that at least 3 cases of food be purchased from them and they're geared more towards catering business and restaurants. I'm looking for smaller amounts, like one or two cases of food. Are there any other essential items that I should stock up on? I am of course factoring toilet paper into this equation, as well as ammo (which could also double as something to trade for food or other supplies). What about antibiotics? Is there any way to obtain non-narcotic drugs without a prescription? Do doctors provide prescriptions for this sort of thing if you're not getting them though insurance?

  • #2
    Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

    Originally posted by mentholated View Post
    What about antibiotics? Is there any way to obtain non-narcotic drugs without a prescription? Do doctors provide prescriptions for this sort of thing if you're not getting them though insurance?
    Non-Prescription drugs can of course be purchased Over The Counter aka OTC from your local pharmacy or Supermarket chain or independent. Antibiotics require a prescription for purchase.
    Legally to obtain any prescription drug you need a legal prescription from a registered and licensed physician. If you explain nicely to the Doctor what it is you are doing and what you are trying to prevent with the anti-biotics.
    They may either look at you with a "this dude need a psychiatrist" look or help you out.
    If you have a long time relationship with a Doctor. Such as your own personal or your childrens doctor then things may go easier for you.
    Please remember any drug allergies you have. So if you are allergic to penicillin don't get something like Amoxil. But luckily a majority of the anti-biotics are now produced in a generic form. They are required by federal law to perform within certain specs of the original. So they work the same but cost you a fraction of the brand. If you want the closest generic to the brand ask the Pharmacist for an AB rated generic.


    Prescription drugs have a expiration date on them.
    Depending on the manufacturer of the medication the expiration date can range from 1 to 4 years. So when you do decide to get the anti-biotics ask for the long date medication and explain to the Pharmacist what you are doing. Expect the look from this guy or gal as well if you don't know them. When you go to the Pharmacy with your special request. Leave it there and come back. Since your "special request" will require more time from the Pharmacist and may be set aside to be worked on later.

    When storing meds be sure to keep them in a low humidity area.
    If you have some silica gel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silica_gel
    This is to help keep the moisture level to a low level.
    You can store the meds in a box with this stuff.

    Found this on Amazon.
    http://www.amazon.com/SHTF-Scenario-.../RD8K5Y9YQ04ZO

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    • #3
      Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

      Wow...I've been out of the loop. I didn't know they let Mentholated out of his cage.

      If you want something with a shelf life longer than shelves you might want to look into military grade rations. Stuff like MREs I'm not to sure about for the long haul but those bags of dehydrated eggs and soup mixes can last decades and only need water to reconstitute. Both can be found at any military surplus or outdoorsy store. Heck, I've even seen them at paintball stores for people who want to do outdoors long campaigns with the real 'military' feel.

      As for meds...bandages and a first aid kit. That's it. Anti-biotics will last weeks after being mixed up, months at best. So you're not going to be able to use it even if you do use it. If you try and store it and use it beyond the 'use by' date then you can get the same affect by putting bean powder in capsules and taking that. Actually, maybe not since bean powder would actually have nutrious value.

      As for perscription drugs and narcotic pain killers? Not only will no doctor give you a script for such a case but it would only serve you well if you are a doctor yourself or a pharmacy expert. Don't play with drugs that aren't avalible to the general masses, odds are you don't know what to take for what and when and you'll end up killing yourself by mistake.

      Damn...I wish I had a dollar and the right to slap every parent who comes to the Emergency Room with a 'sick child' because they gave them their uncles script meds for 'the same thing' and the meds were bad, the wrong kinds, the wrong amount, or a combination of all three. Perscriptions are written for 1 person for 1 reason and that reason is defined by your diagnosis. Guessing games with drugs is stupid and reckless.
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      • #4
        Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

        The following is dead serious:
        If you're going to prepare for the end of civilization, own a gun and know how to use it accurately and properly. Learn to keep it clean and in good working order. Make sure you know the quickest escape route to a largely unpopulated area (the more remote, the better) and have a place you're secure camping out in, someplace that has natural food resources nearby and flowing water. Learn to purify water without high-tech gear and have a basic knowledge of improvised traps and hunting. Know what plants can kill you and what can be used for medicine. Learn how to read the weather and what the climate will be like where you're going.

        Bottom line is that buying food and water rations for a SHTF scenario will buy you a couple days at most. If it really does go up in smoke, the looting will be inescapable. No house will be secure enough to stay in. If people get word that you have food and they dont, you wont just be facing down one hungry person, you'll be facing a mob. Chances are, if it's bad enough, they will kill you in order to get what they want. Better to do a quick grab of core items and make a run for the hills.

        I'm dead serious. Look at any incident in which riots broke out. Look at anywhere a major natural disaster has occurred. New Orleans maybe? Thats right in our own country and it was absolute chaos.

        Canned food and MREs, as well as water purification supplies make you a prime target when youre the only guy who has them in a populated area. If you're out in the middle of the woods living off the land, you may be facing different dangers, but most of the time theyre more manageable.

        As far as meds go, you're never going to get a scrip for pharmaceutical grade antibiotics just because you think you might need them as a contingency. Go to your local walgreens and get a few all-in-one first aid kits. Buy some neosporin, lots of sterile gauze and some basic antibacterial creme. Get a couple bottles of asprin (REAL asprin) and a couple bottles of tylenol. Thats the best you're going to get. If you try to get higher grade stuff from a hospital, they're going to laugh at you and have security escort you to the door.

        The key thing to remember in a SHTF scenario is that people are going to turn primal. Lord of the Flies style. If you have a good knowledge of survival skills, you can leave whats left of civilization behind and be nice and cozy in the wild for however long it takes for the world to sort itself out. If its something avoidable like a hurricane, LEAVE EARLY. The reason sso many people get screwed by hurricanes is because they wait until the last minute to leave and find highways clogged or they simply try to "ride out the storm", which is a bad idea in any situation. Sure, your house may stand up to it, but your electric, gas and water lines might not. No electricity isnt so bad, but dealing with having one water source which becomes contaminated and completely undrinkable (even by boiling or filtration) is a surefire way to get boned, or worse if gas lines break and fires erupt.

        If you want specific tips on how to survive in the wild, I can share some of the knowledge I have, but I'm not just going to spew it. Ask for specifics if you want it.

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        • #5
          Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

          In the UK (England), where I am, I never hear this kind of talk of preparing to go off into the wilderness if civilization collapses

          I would put that down to population density

          source
          United Kingdom, Density (Population per km˛) = 246
          United States, Density (Population per km˛) = 31 (8 times less than UK)

          England just doesnt have vast wildernesses, what it does have is small national parks where tourists goto look at the scenery and it has every other square inch as farmland

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          • #6
            Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

            As you've seen, there's a definite bias in the modern medical field towards prescribing meds that aren't yet needed. A good relationship with your physician will get you around this bias.

            A quick talk with a pharmacist will get you some long-term, shelf stable antibiotics. There are compounds that will remain effective for years and years if stored correctly. If you're able to keep 'em cool, they might even last decades...

            But Ferris is right. Being able to handle some shooting iron is going to be more effective. Personally, either my wife is home strapped and defending our own little stockpile of supplies, or we're going to the local drugstore and taking what we need if the stuff has really hit the fan. If it's really that bad, the safety of my family comes above ALL else.

            The AR15.com forums have a great survival forum if you're interested in reading more on this topic: http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=10&f=17
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            • #7
              Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

              most medicines are powdered and are liquefied only when needed. In powder form, the shelf life is MUCH higher - and is how a pharmacy can afford to keep most scripts on hand. Alos the one of the reasons it takes forever to fill a prescription.
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              • #8
                Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

                I was also going to suggest a gun (maybe even some grenades).

                Water purification tabs are nice everything, but bottled water (water storage) should have been first on your list.

                Not sure if this applies to all states, but here in Illinois, you need to be 21 years or older and have a legal ID in order to even purchase over-the-counter meds.


                Seriously, I wouldn't know if I would survive in a "end of world" senario. Chicago has a complete ban on most weapons (supposedly single barrel 12 gauge shotguns are allowed for home defense). There's several million here in Chicago, and people here don't seem to have much respect for life (evident in street crime and cars that don't stop for pedestrians or other cars).

                I wouldn't be surprised if I took my own life instead.
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                • #9
                  Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

                  Knowing certain properties of certain plants can also have the same benefit as having the actual medicine. Such as the Willow tree bark to ease pain and inflamation but not good for reducing fever. If that was the case then the American Indians had the almost perfect drug. I always thought that stock piling some rations was a good idea but what would be good also would be stocking up on seeds to plant so you can have some food later after rations run out. Having a knowledge of hunting and how to properly care for the game you have just killed so it will last is also important, I am sure you are not going to have a refrigerator or freezer at a time such as this. So drying meats and even vegatables is a must.
                  I live in WV and most of the people around here(the ones that are way back in the hills mainly) still believe in doing a lot of this stuff like their great grandparents did. I have seen and learned a little from some of these people since I have lived here but I tell you, it will be these people that will live and prosper due to them having years of experience already in conditions where they have very little as in money to get the items we are use to. Actually my ex-wife's parents are these type of people, they make anything they possibly can without going anywhere close to a store and live off the land. From hunting, growing, drying, and canning. Ever eat canned squirrel meat?? I don't care much for it but I could eat it to survive but canned deer meat is awesome.

                  EDIT:
                  I had also seen my ex father-in-law break his arm and never go tot he doctor, he set it by his self and then went out in the woods and actually got some Willow bark. Another time I heard someone complaining about having diarrhea, they got the inner bark of a Slippery Elm tree and chewed on it for a few minutes and the next day they were apparently alright. I had done some checking on stuff like this and most OTC drugs still use a lot fo the herbal properties in them.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

                    Herbal/natural remedies are good knowledge, but it may not always apply in a urban environment.

                    Hmm, city dwellers just might be lower on the food chain in this EoL senario.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

                      Very true, but as said in a previous reply...."get to a remote location". Trying to stay in the city would be absolute suicide, eventually. I would see people becoming cannibals after food starts running out. Some will leave but then there are going to be the people that would stay cause they have no clue how to survive on the land. It has happened to many times in history already that when people have ran out of food they started eating the remaining people or the ones that had already died before them. Donner Party ring a bell for an example.

                      Probably the most important item for a person to have would be a gun to help them in hunting, if not the ability to know how to make traps or bow and arrows. A knife for cleaning the animal is not really important, a sharp rock can work. Our caveman instincts should pick up on some of us. The problem would be other people. That is why a remote location would help, the side of some mountain and a cave. Plenty in my area but I am not telling you where, lol.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

                        A gun is nothing but a fragile club if you haven't ammunition, and using Find/"amm" only returns one passing mention of it here.

                        The gun is good for your one-week disaster, but in the long run, it too needs food. In the total collapse scenario, like the zombie film genre, sees a gun as a handful of trump cards, and the instant it makes a click without a bang, you get eaten.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

                          So you're saying use "idkfa" for any zombie attack scenario?
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                          He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

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                          • #14
                            Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

                            Depending on where a person lives the gun could still be used if it is a muzzle loader. Not much is needed to make your own black powder. Sulfur, charcoal, and of course potassium nitrate(saltpeter). Most compounds can be found easy or made easily. I could go into long details on how to mkae each of these, some disgusting such as the saltpeter but will not.

                            I will say after the thought of all the work that would be involved and the length of time it would take ot make the gunpowder the bow and arrows sounds like the best idea. To much time would be involved in other things to make gunpowder, such as the food you plan on eating. Finding, cleaning, preparing, drying or cooking it will probably be the biggest part of the day. The other part will be shelter, making sure you have good shelter that is heated which then means cutting or scavenging for wood(not just for heat either bit cooking as well). I know, smoke will give away your location but hey, maybe you are remote enough nobody notices.

                            Also, I was thinking, most people are saying it is illegal to own a gun in some areas, I say when the time comes that the world is in kaos that doesn't matter. I would loot the first gun shop and take a gun with plenty of ammo(for that gun of course) then high tail it from there to a remote loaction. Honestly, I would one of the first looters taking what I will be needing to survive as long as I can on the land. Knife, gun(to start me off) or possibly a nice bow(not sure if I want recurve or compound though?), plenty of arrows, axe, pot & some pans, and I would gather as much seeds as possible. I wouldn't even look at the seeds as I was grabbing them, I would just grab, growl, and run.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Stockpiling Food & Supplies

                              Originally posted by msdz View Post

                              Also, I was thinking, most people are saying it is illegal to own a gun in some areas, I say when the time comes that the world is in kaos that doesn't matter. I would loot the first gun shop and take a gun with plenty of ammo(for that gun of course) then high tail it from there to a remote loaction.
                              Are there many gun shops in areas where guns are illegal?

                              I'd take a Ray Mears boxset.

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