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  • “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

    Interesting press release from Stardock:
    As an industry, we need to begin setting some basic, common sense standards that reward PC gamers for purchasing our games...
    The Gamer’s Bill of Rights:

    1. Gamers shall have the right to return games that don’t work with their computers for a full refund.
    2. Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.
    3. Gamers shall have the right to expect meaningful updates after a game’s release.
    4. Gamers shall have the right to demand that download managers and updaters not force themselves to run or be forced to load in order to play a game.
    5. Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will play adequately on that computer.
    6. Gamers shall have the right to expect that games won’t install hidden drivers or other potentially harmful software without their consent.
    7. Gamers shall have the right to re-download the latest versions of the games they own at any time.
    8. Gamers shall have the right to not be treated as potential criminals by developers or publishers.
    9. Gamers shall have the right to demand that a single-player game not force them to be connected to the Internet every time they wish to play.
    10. Gamers shall have the right that games which are installed to the hard drive shall not require a CD/DVD to remain in the drive to play.
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    Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

    Amen to that.

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    • #3
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      1. Gamers shall have the right to return games that don’t work with their computers for a full refund.
      This can cause a lot of problems. What it should be is games will reach a minimum standard of compatibility. Things that run on XP run on 2K, and thus, refusing to run/install on 2K because Microsoft said to rig it that way is wrong. Games that use special eye candy should have a way to skip the effects, rather than throwing a pop-up that says ERROR: You haven't bought a new video card lately, go spend $300 and come back. We'll wait.

      2. Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.
      3. Gamers shall have the right to expect meaningful updates after a game’s release.
      If the game is finished, it doesn't need an update. Expansions should be considered independent games in this context.

      5. Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will play adequately on that computer.
      Raising the requirement from "will run" to "will be enjoyed" increases the problem I mentioned in responce to #1. Any time you get near the minimums, you are in At Your Own Risk territory. Often, a bit of tweaking will make the minimums work fine.

      6. Gamers shall have the right to expect that games won’t install hidden drivers or other potentially harmful software without their consent.
      Big time QFT. I remember when my optical drives quit functioning and I couldn't figure out why. Then they got better after a reformat and then they went bad again. Turns out, Ubisoft's XIII was installing the StarForce virus into my system -- a virutal device driver that gets between the OS and the optical drives to ensure you can't use them for anything.

      8. Gamers shall have the right to not be treated as potential criminals by developers or publishers.
      This is too vague and accusitory.

      9. Gamers shall have the right to demand that a single-player game not force them to be connected to the Internet every time they wish to play.
      lol, rly? :D
      I remember the time I was supid enough to believe that Steam's "Offline Mode" would let me play HL2 without internets. I wound up needing to borrow someone's dialup account to get online enough to start the game.

      10. Gamers shall have the right that games which are installed to the hard drive shall not require a CD/DVD to remain in the drive to play.
      You can just make a disk image and mount that, right? :D
      The "Have Disk" thing is actually the least of my worries, but I run two optical drives. Others may not be so excited.

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        Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

        Originally posted by MagnaCentipede View Post
        10. Gamers shall have the right that games which are installed to the hard drive shall not require a CD/DVD to remain in the drive to play.
        You can just make a disk image and mount that, right? :D
        The "Have Disk" thing is actually the least of my worries, but I run two optical drives. Others may not be so excited.
        I have three (1 CD and 2 dvds) an ii still have to switch games constanty (stupid EA).
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          Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

          I think this list is geared toward less computer-savvy gamers. As in, the people least likely to pirate but most frequently inconvenienced by anti-piracy schemes.
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          • #6
            Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

            So you mean to draw parallels between a legal document whose purpose it is to protect basic human rights of a nation and ... a few lines of text written by an angry gamer with a low end PC?

            You need a reality check.

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            • #7
              Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

              Stardock is awesome.

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              • #8
                Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

                Originally posted by Zhohar View Post
                So you mean to draw parallels between a legal document whose purpose it is to protect basic human rights of a nation and ... a few lines of text written by an angry gamer with a low end PC?

                You need a reality check.
                It was written by a publishing house CEO.

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                • #9
                  Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

                  Originally posted by Zhohar View Post
                  So you mean to draw parallels between a legal document whose purpose it is to protect basic human rights of a nation and ... a few lines of text written by an angry gamer with a low end PC?

                  You need a reality check.
                  What the? Where did this come from? Many industries have introduced "bill of rights". Are you saying that the medical industry's "patient's bill of rights" and the airline industry's "passenger's bill of rights" are equally offensive to you?

                  Please. This thread wasn't started in the Sandbox, and, unless the OP wants the thread moved, I'd prefer to keep it in this forum, so let's make sure we keep this thread very civil.
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                  • #10
                    Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

                    I like the last one. :) It's actually kinda stupid...

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                    • #11
                      Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

                      Pretty cute as a marketing device. Now let's see if they can put dough to show...
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                      • #12
                        Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

                        Originally posted by Shurikane View Post
                        Pretty cute as a marketing device. Now let's see if they can put dough to show...
                        Have you owned any games published by Stardock before? Galactic Civilizations or perhaps Sins of a Solar Empire? They do it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

                          I liked the wording "the right to demand". I immediately thought, "Sure, you can ask!" :icon_lol:
                          Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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                          • #14
                            Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

                            Make no mistake, this is a marketing move to make Stardock look good, and has all the hallmarks of giving the consumer "the good things you deserve." But it's also a sincere mission statement of Stardock, as evidenced by their development style.

                            I would add, "Gamers shall have the right to acquire updates and critical components to software they already own without being forced to install additional download manager software." But unfortunately, Stardock does that.
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                            • #15
                              Re: “The Gamer’s Bill of Rights”

                              Originally posted by sordavie View Post
                              Have you owned any games published by Stardock before? Galactic Civilizations or perhaps Sins of a Solar Empire? They do it.
                              They do, but they have also acknowledged that they are successful because they publish games toward niche markets where piracy isn't as rampant (as opposed to AAA blockbuster titles) and do not have to sell nearly as many games as larger publishers to meet their profit goals.

                              Maybe more companies should follow that philosophy though. Most AAA titles are derivative of previous titles anyway. At least games like Sins try to do something different.
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