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    Nothin big but I was askin people on the server if they were in the Military cause that\'s what I want to do. I decided to post it here as well =D. Basically my Step-dad is in the Airforce Reserve and he does Network Security. He gets paid a lot and he wants me to do the same thing. He also wouldn\'t mind if I became a pilot. I would go to the Airforce Academy but its got a 2 year waiting period. Im thinking about the Army or Marines. I would enjoy it I know, guess Im a masicist like that, but Im in ROTC and I just enjoy the Military. My Mom doesnt want me to go into the Army or Marines and my Dad is tellin me its a bad idea cause he didnt like it. He tells me things like if I enjoy sleeping in the mud and toting a machine gun around, basically trying to convince me not to go in. Ive got the grades to do anything really but I dont want to be a doctor or a lawyer or any of that junk. I dont want to have to drive to an office every morning. What would you guys recommend? I know I should make the decision for myself, and I will, but I would really enjoy the help. I know it is ultimately my decision but basically the pros and cons are different for each brance. Airforce I can stay around my family and make a lot of money, lead a privelaged, easy life, or if I go into the Army it would have basically the same pros and cons as the marines but would be, from my experience, less physically demanding and not as gung-ho. Both branches would have me posted wherever and I wouldnt make that much money. Thanks in advance guys. If you want to flame me that\'s fine, but if you want to help that\'s fine as well.

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    Paragraphs are your friends.
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      dont TK me anymore and I'll be your friend

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        Follow your heart. Follow your passions. You only get to live once, so do with it what moves you and drives you.

        For me I made the "logical" choice when I decided upon a career. Now, after 12 years in the technology arena, most of them in consulting, I find myself in a fairly satisfying career tha challenges me, pays very well, and is quite interesting. But to be honest, if I had it all to do over again, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now. I'd be doing something completely different that doesn't pay as well, but I like to think I'd feel like I did what my heart drove me to do instead of what was the "smart choice" at the time.

        Serving in the miitary is a very honerable thing to do, and you can made a very good career out of it. And even if you decide after a while it is not for you, it will change you and mold you and give you skills that you can't even think of now. I work with a handful of ex-military guys and sometimes I am jealous of some of their experiences and their abilities.

        Anyway... folllow your heart. Listen to your family and friends, but ultimately it is your decision to make.

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          I would be very careful when you consider joining any branch of the military right now, especially the army or marines, due to the conflict in Iraq. They're basically doing whatever they can, including breaking regulations, to get people over there and keep them there.

          One of my friends is in the army, and he's telling me all the ins and outs of what is going on right now. He had about a dozen men in his section that were listed as non-deployable due to health reasons (one of the guys had a torn ACL for crying out loud), and they were shipped out to Iraq anyway despite orders to remain stateside. Well, all those guys wrote their congressman, and when his office called over to talk to them the division office said "no men by those names are in this unit." Now a big investigation is underway, and until it's over not a single man in that unit is allowed to come home for any reason. I have even more wonderful stories like this, but I think that sums it up completely.

          In the end it's your decision, but just be aware that there are lots of shady things going on in our military right now.
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            Re: Anwend\'s real-life issue...

            Originally posted by MileHighAko
            Follow your heart. Follow your passions. You only get to live once, so do with it what moves you and drives you.

            For me I made the "logical" choice when I decided upon a career. Now, after 12 years in the technology arena, most of them in consulting, I find myself in a fairly satisfying career tha challenges me, pays very well, and is quite interesting. But to be honest, if I had it all to do over again, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now. I'd be doing something completely different that doesn't pay as well, but I like to think I'd feel like I did what my heart drove me to do instead of what was the "smart choice" at the time.
            I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. You get one go'round, buddy, so you might as well enjoy it.

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            • #7
              Re: Anwend\'s real-life issue...

              Originally posted by Anwend
              Nothin big but I was askin people on the server if they were in the Military cause that\'s what I want to do. I decided to post it here as well =D. Basically my Step-dad is in the Airforce Reserve and he does Network Security. He gets paid a lot and he wants me to do the same thing. He also wouldn\'t mind if I became a pilot. I would go to the Airforce Academy but its got a 2 year waiting period. Im thinking about the Army or Marines. I would enjoy it I know, guess Im a masicist like that, but Im in ROTC and I just enjoy the Military. My Mom doesnt want me to go into the Army or Marines and my Dad is tellin me its a bad idea cause he didnt like it. He tells me things like if I enjoy sleeping in the mud and toting a machine gun around, basically trying to convince me not to go in. Ive got the grades to do anything really but I dont want to be a doctor or a lawyer or any of that junk. I dont want to have to drive to an office every morning. What would you guys recommend? I know I should make the decision for myself, and I will, but I would really enjoy the help. I know it is ultimately my decision but basically the pros and cons are different for each brance. Airforce I can stay around my family and make a lot of money, lead a privelaged, easy life, or if I go into the Army it would have basically the same pros and cons as the marines but would be, from my experience, less physically demanding and not as gung-ho. Both branches would have me posted wherever and I wouldnt make that much money. Thanks in advance guys. If you want to flame me that\'s fine, but if you want to help that\'s fine as well.
              Man, you've got a lot of information and misinformation there...

              First of all, the Air Force Academy does not have a 2 year waiting list. Just like just about every other college, their admissions start over every year... All three of the military academies are very difficult to get into, though. Annapolis (Navy/Marines) is probably the hardest. West Point is probably the most prestigious. Air Force is probably the easiest to get into...

              You're father is right. If you're not interested in sleeping in the dirt and carrying a rifle around all the time, then the Army and Marines are not for you. Join either of those two branches and there's a great chance that you'll end up in the infantry.

              All the branches of the Armed Forces will move you when they want to. They all pay the same. You have very few rights that civilians enjoy. The military owns you. You do what they say, when they say it. Whether you work 8 hours a day or 16 hours a day, you get paid the same. You don't have any bills to pay (except for that brand new sports car you've been wanting...). They'll give you a room (usually like a college dorm room) and they'll feed you (cafeteria/buffet type food. Not as bad as the stories I'm sure you've heard.).

              The branches are a bit different, though:

              The Air Force is closest to civilian life. The majority of the people work a regular shift at a military base doing a regular job. Supporting an aviation force isn't something that involves sleeping in the mud, although the Air Force does have special forces and there are some crappy jobs. Air Force jobs tend to be more high tech, but don't count on it. Get any recruiting promises in writing. It may or may not help when the recruiter says you're going to be a radar technician and after boot camp you find yourself on the bus to cook's school.

              The Army is what most people think of when they think of the military. More rolling around in the mud, more "Yes, sir!", more green uniforms, more tanks and HMMWVs. Lots of different jobs. I consider the Army to kinda be the baseline for what civilians think of the military, so I really don't have much to describe about it.

              The Navy is similar to the Army in terms of discipline and the number of different jobs. The big difference is that there's a good chance that the base that you're stationed at will be floating around the world and you'll have to call it a "her". Good food, good liberty (time off) if you're on a cruise, ugly uniforms (dungarees and Cracker Jack uniforms?). Jobs are a bit higher tech than the Army due to the nature of naval warfare.

              The Marines. Now that's where it's at! If you're ready to grow up, I mean really grow up. If you're ready to find out what you have inside you. If you're prepared to do anything to be part of the best, join the Marines. If you join and stay in the Marines, you WILL become well disciplined. You will become a warrior, regardless of your job. You will become proficient with basic infantry tactics. You'll become a skilled marksmen with the service rifle. You'll have a good chance to go on cruises with the Navy. Jobs are similar to Army jobs. Some high tech (I was a satellite technician), but lots of combat related jobs. One of the most important differences, though, is that you'll get the best looking uniforms and all the chicks. The United States of America is proud of their Army, their Navy and their Air Force. They're the best in the world at what they do. But the USA loves her Marines and the rest of the world respects them like no other fighting force that size. If you aren't sure you want to be a Marine, then stay out of the Corps. It's probably not for you...
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              • #8
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                Come on Cing, at least tell the guy where you're perspective is from so he can read your slant. He's new here and he's not going to know your background.

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                  Listen to Cing. The US marines have the smartest dress uniform of any armed service anywhere. Not that you'd catch me anywhere near a military uniform. Basic would kill me :(

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                  • #10
                    Re: Anwend\'s real-life issue...

                    Originally posted by RandomGuy
                    Come on Cing, at least tell the guy where you're perspective is from so he can read your slant. He's new here and he's not going to know your background.
                    Heh, didn't the post demonstrate his perspective? With the possible exception of the sentence "That's where it's at!", I think that the entire post was pretty fair and factual, even though it sounds biased.

                    Cing was in the United States Marine Corps for a few months short of a decade. As he said, he was a Satellite Technician, which is a pretty high tech job. Sometimes he spent more weeks sleeping in a tent or maintenance van than he did at home with his family. Overall, he greatly enjoyed his time in the Marine Corps. He's said that the one thing that made him finally decide to join the Marines instead of another branch is the fact that when you look through a catalog that sells military t-shirts and memorabilia, there will be a page of stuff for Army vets, a page for Navy, one for the Air Force and 5 pages of stuff for Marines! Not that he wanted a good selection of t-shirts, but that it indicated the pride that the smallest branch of the Armed Forces has...

                    That said:
                    Being a member of any branch of the US Armed Forces is something to be proud of and carries a certain amount of prestige. They all can be exciting and dangerous. They all can be difficult and mind-numbing. The most important thing is probably to do well on your ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery) so that you can tell your recruiter exactly what job you want. Enjoying your job is an important part of enjoying the military. If you don't like being outdoors, than you want to avoid the infantry. If you can't stand staying indoors, then stay away from the food services field. If you like driving, there's Motor Transport. If you want to blow things up, there's EOD or the Engineers. You can be a radio operator, a supply/logistics guy, an electronics technician, a mechanic, a cook, a mapmaker, a weather forecaster, a translator, an interrogator, a mailman, a policeman, a prison guard, a civil affairs specialist, an artilleryman, a landing support specialist, a medic/corpsman, a doctor, a pilot, an air traffic controller, a bus driver, a tank driver, a spy, a search and rescue specialist, a morterman, a teacher, a student, a leader and a follower. The options are nearly endless, so do good on the test so that you have more options available to you. Low test scores=less options (you'll be a cook, truck driver or grunt).

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                      Re: Anwend\\\'s real-life issue...

                      Well, thanks for all the help guys. I feel the same way about life. You might as well take chances and do what you like to do because if you spend all your life working in an office waiting for retirement you may be SOL if you die 5 years before retirement. I respect all the branches of the military but I have a special feeling about the marines. I always wanted to be different, why be predictable? I dont want to work in an office or lead a normal job as I said before. I grin to myself whenever I think of Marines riding in a Blackhawk screaming and yelling because they are crazy and fearless. I have a few friends that were in the Marines and Ive heard the stories. To be known as one of the toughest, most disciplined, and fearless soldiers on the face of the earth would is a reward in itself. I only fear I wouldnt be able to make it. I take the ASVAB this year and Im sure Ill do well, you probably think Im lying or stretching the truth when I say I know my stuff but I really do. I learn anything they teach me quickly and I remember it for a long time. I dont study and make good grades. Im not a nerd though. I dont wear glasses and Im not a toothpick and Im not overweight. Im pretty normal. I could gain a few pounds of muscle but I can do that. Ive got a bowflex and I can run every day if need be. Could you guys tell me what you think would help me? Thanks for all the replies, and sorry I dont write in paragraphs =D.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Anwend\\\'s real-life issue...

                        Originally posted by Anwend
                        I grin to myself whenever I think of Marines riding in a Blackhawk screaming and yelling because they are crazy and fearless.
                        Marines don't usually ride in Army heloes... :icon_razz As mentioned, the Marines are the smallest branch of service and have the smallest budget, too. They have four combat helicopters, and it's interesting to note that the Huey and Cobra from Vietnam are still the mainstays of Marine rotary wing aircraft. This is mostly due to the fact that the Huey and Cobra share many parts which makes it easier on the budget when it comes to maintenance.

                        Could you guys tell me what you think would help me?
                        Well, what kind of job do you want to do?

                        Or are you talking in terms of physical fitness? Normally, three times a week you'll be running 3-5 miles along with some calisthenics for your regular PT. Every quarter, you'll be required to take a Physical Fitness Test. To get a perfect score (this has an effect on your promotion), you must run 3 miles in 18 minutes, do 80 situps in two minutes and do 20 pullups in as much time as you want without dropping or swinging your body (can't use momentum, must use muscle to do the pullups).

                        sorry I dont write in paragraphs
                        Unless you start writing in paragraphs, this is my last reply to you. Your posts are painful to read. You will not make it in the Marine Corps without basic writing skills. I doubt you'll make it in any branch of the Armed Forces. There was a time when the US military didn't care about someone's education. They'd give 'em a gun and point 'em at the enemy. Today's military is different. There's no room for uneducated or lazy people on the modern battlefield.
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                          Originally posted by CingularDuality
                          Unless you start writing in paragraphs, this is my last reply to you. Your posts are painful to read. You will not make it in the Marine Corps without basic writing skills. I doubt you'll make it in any branch of the Armed Forces. There was a time when the US military didn't care about someone's education. They'd give 'em a gun and point 'em at the enemy. Today's military is different. There's no room for uneducated or lazy people on the modern battlefield.
                          Is anyone else imagining R. Lee Ermey screaming "INDENT THAT PARAGRAPH, SOLDIER! SAVE THE SCRIBBLIN' FOR THE COLORING BOOKS AND COME UP WITH A TOPIC SENTENCE THAT PEOPLE WON'T MISTAKE FOR TOILET PAPER!"

                          This thought amuses me greatly. :D
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                            Originally posted by Pokerface
                            Is anyone else imagining R. Lee Ermey screaming "INDENT THAT PARAGRAPH, SOLDIER! SAVE THE SCRIBBLIN' FOR THE COLORING BOOKS AND COME UP WITH A TOPIC SENTENCE THAT PEOPLE WON'T MISTAKE FOR TOILET PAPER!"

                            This thought amuses me greatly. :D
                            I wasn't until you just brought it up. But now that it's in my head I'm picturing Cing going off in R. Lee Ermey style! :-)
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                            • #15
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                              ooh-rah Marine Corps
                              I did 8 years---loved every minute of it!!
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