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  • The F-22 and F-35 Killer Finally Captured In Action (Sukhoi PAK-FA)

    http://gizmodo.com/5549854/the-f+22-...ured-in-action



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    Re: The F-22 and F-35 Killer Finally Captured In Action (Sukhoi PAK-FA)

    A good analysis here: http://steeljawscribe.com/2010/04/11...teeljaw+Scribe)




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    • #3
      Re: The F-22 and F-35 Killer Finally Captured In Action (Sukhoi PAK-FA)

      See, I'm wondering if this is going to be like their other jets. Everyone thought those were going to be very good, and we were all worried about if they were better than ours. Then some guy defected in one, and we got to see what it was actually capable of, and realized it wasn't near what we had. Check out this Wiki page:
      List of Cold War pilot defections

      The same thing happened during the 1st Gulf War. Iraq had some really good Migs, and actually had really well trained pilots, but they still got their asses handed to them.

      Who knows.................

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        Re: The F-22 and F-35 Killer Finally Captured In Action (Sukhoi PAK-FA)

        Another good analysis here:

        http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2010-01.html

        “The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter struggles to survive against the conventional Su-35BM Flanker, with only its -30 dBSM class front sector stealth keeping it alive in some BVR combat situations. Against even a -20 dBSM class PAK-FA, the F-35 falls within the survivability black hole, into which US legacy fighters such as the F-16C/E, F-15C/E and F/A-18A-F have already fallen.”5

        “The fate of the F-35 Lightning II would be far worse in an air combat environment challenged by the PAK-FA. If the Mach 1.5 PAK-FA is using its infrared sensor as the primary sensor and observes radio frequency emission control (EMCON), then the first detection by the F-35’s APG-81 radar could be at ~20 nautical miles or less with a missile launched by the PAK-FA’s infrared sensors already inbound from 60 to 70 nautical miles away. The PAK-FA could easily break to a direction outside the F-35’s AIM-120 engagement zone.”6

        “The sustained turning performance of the F-35A Lightning II was recently disclosed as 4.95 G at Mach 0.8 and 15,000 ft. A 1969 F-4E Phantom II could sustain 5.5 Gs at 0.8 Mach with 40 percent internal fuel at 20,000 feet. The F-35 is also much slower than the 1960s F-4E or F-105D. So the F-35A’s aerodynamic performance is ‘retrograde’ when compared with 1960s legacy fighters. The consequence of such inferior JSF performance is that its DAS might detect an incoming missile, but the aircraft lacks the turn-rate to out-fly it. As the F-35 also lacks the performance to engage or escape, repeated ‘freebie’ shots from the PAK-FA could inflict high losses. Expect the exchange rate to be of the order of 4:1 in favour of the PAK-FA, possibly much higher.”
        A very sexy airframe though:

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          Re: The F-22 and F-35 Killer Finally Captured In Action (Sukhoi PAK-FA)

          So, basically the new russian plane is supposed to have similar combat capability of the F22.
          Still, I don't really understand what all the fuss is about the F35 being already outdated and outgunned: it was supposed to be a substitute of the AV8B Harrier 2 with the addition of new datalink capabilities and low observability capabilities, right?
          As such comparing these two plane is the same as comparing a Tornado with an Mig29: those planes were designed for different roles.
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          • #6
            Re: The F-22 and F-35 Killer Finally Captured In Action (Sukhoi PAK-FA)

            Ya, F-35 and PAK-FA....two different roles as far as I know.

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            • #7
              Re: The F-22 and F-35 Killer Finally Captured In Action (Sukhoi PAK-FA)

              www.ausairpower.com is Australian, and as the Ausies decided to ditch buying F22s and instead buy F35s, so it does have relevance there.

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