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  • E-Male
    started a topic What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    Greetings,

    The new maps for BC2 are out and are awesome, but Fraps brings the frame rate down as low as 22fps when recording on some of the new maps.

    I have a $500 budget and want to upgrade my system (below) so as to get the best increase in FPS while recording online video games with fraps.

    My current system runs 60 fps when gaming online and not recording, and 40-55 fps when recording with Fraps.

    The system is as follows:

    Rampage III Mob
    Patriot Sector 7 6GB PC3-1600 2000MHz RAM
    Intel Core i7 930
    ATI Radeon 5870 GPU 850/1200 MHz GDDR5
    All Hard Drives are running at 7200rpm

    Overclocked and stable at 4ghz


    Again, my question is what upgrade will give me the best increase FPS while recording online video games with Fraps?

    SSD
    More ram/better ram
    another GPU in crossfire
    faster core

    Thank you!

  • Bamboo
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    I could have sworn we had a bigger thread on RAM latency recently, but I guess this is the one where we were talking about it in the last page.
    Anyway, just came across this article from yesterday and thought most would want to see it:
    Putting Memory Latency into Perspective
    Should help explain it for those with questions, but bottom line for ya is

    Will you notice a difference between 9ns and 10ns? No, absolutely not. It would barely show up in benchmarks. But this can be a useful tool if you're considering whether to spend extra money on higher speed, slower timing memory. In the listed examples above, the latencies are all within +/-1½ns of each other. It would make more sense to go with whatever option is the least expensive.

    You can also see that with modern DDR3 memory, most of the higher speeds are all within 8-9ns of latency, the difference of which is indiscernible to human perception. As memory speeds continue to get faster and faster, the variation between the different speeds and timings makes less and less of a difference.

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  • Wicks
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    Originally posted by Exploding_Silver View Post
    You are recording full screen 1920*1200 to your C drive where aram2 is, is your op system on that same drive ?
    Whats the spec of your c drive ? 7200 RPM or SSD or what ?

    I look forward to your external drive experiment too

    Yup, everything on the ole C drive lol, Samsumng Spinpoint 1TB at 7200RPM (I think). O/S Arma:OA plus a bunch of mods and then writing at Blu Ray quality to the same drive. I will do a test next checking recording to an external HD via USB. If I remember correctly this was slower (USB speed I suspect is the culprit).

    I don't have a second internal hard drive yet so can't check the performance on that method so the final test will be recording to USB flash drive.

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  • VoodooIT
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    As Dictate pointed out in his post, something I missed was the fact that Fraps does indeed use a bit of compression while recording videos. I had always assumed it was completely raw video because it isn't encoded on the fly. This would definitely change the picture in terms of how much bandwidth would be required in hard drive writing speed. The amount of compression they use is vague, but I would still imagine that recording at high resolution (1680x1050 or higher) at 60 frames per second would still be limited by your hard drive write speed. I plan on doing some Fraps recording tests in different games to see what kind of results I get.

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  • Exploding_Silver
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    Originally posted by A.WICKENS View Post
    Finally got round to some experimentation.

    The following is a little Arma 2:Operation Arrowhead with some Mods (mostly third person). Settings most on high, resolution 1920 by 1200, recorded with FRAPS at full screen, frame rate locked at 60FPS. Recording back onto C drive where Arma is installed.

    Performance about 40-60 FPS when not recording, 20 to 50 when recording. Edited with Sony Vegas HD platinum.

    Apologies for the lack of any interesting effects or cuts, still getting to grips with the program.

    Next I will try the exact same thing but recording to an external HD via USB.
    You are recording full screen 1920*1200 to your C drive where aram2 is, is your op system on that same drive ?
    Whats the spec of your c drive ? 7200 RPM or SSD or what ?

    I look forward to your external drive experiment too

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  • Wicks
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    Finally got round to some experimentation.

    The following is a little Arma 2:Operation Arrowhead with some Mods (mostly third person). Settings most on high, resolution 1920 by 1200, recorded with FRAPS at full screen, frame rate locked at 60FPS. Recording back onto C drive where Arma is installed.



    Performance about 40-60 FPS when not recording, 20 to 50 when recording. Edited with Sony Vegas HD platinum.

    Apologies for the lack of any interesting effects or cuts, still getting to grips with the program.

    Next I will try the exact same thing but recording to an external HD via USB.

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  • Dictate
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    I haven't tested it myself as I'm not really up for wasting a ton of write cycles on the Vertex II, but it seems like a Sandforce II based SSD would probably give you pretty damn good write performance with FRAPs. The reason the writes and reads are so high on the Sandforce drives is because they compress data before writing it to the SSD, and since FRAPs footage is only slightly compressed, you should be able to achieve really high write speeds without any degrade in the speed over the entire write.
    All this being said, it would just be cheaper and just as good performance wise (For large writes anyway...) to grab 2 or even 3 1TB Western Digital Blacks and run them in RAID 0.

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  • Thesleeper01
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    Did not read all the posts but 2 things I would suggest is check the timings on your ram if the times are higher it could cause the problems your having. The second thing is to try to modestly OC one part at a time and see the effect it has on the FPS, if you do so only change one variable at a time so you know what part is responsible for the increase in speed.

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  • ThirdSin
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    I've been using Fraps lately with my new toy:
    Mobo - ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
    GPU - 2x GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB (SLI)
    HDD - 2x Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" RAID 0 /for games+storage
    HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s /for Backups
    SSD - Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II (Operating System)
    CPU - Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz LGA 1366
    Heatsink - CORSAIR CWCH50-1
    RAM - G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
    PSU - CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W
    Case - COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower

    The SSD is for the OS.
    Games are installed and run on the Raid 0. Fraps is also writing to the Raid.
    I run Fraps at 30 frames, full screen. I can feel the performance change, but its still very playable. I'm not rubberbanding or any of that, just playing with the reduced framerate (30).

    In my opinion, as others have noted, your hard drive is everything for video recording. A 2:30 - 3minute video is 4GB of writing. If you are on a single 7,200 Hdd, youre cooked. Don't go with those 'green' drives either! They are slower, which uses less energy, which is fine for backups or generaly storage but not apps.
    Side comment on the Raptors, I don't think they are worthwhile anymore based on performance to cost compared to SSDs rapidly declining in cost and increasing in reliability/usability.

    Throw me in for interest in alternate recording programs. These 2:30 videos @ 4GB a piece are killing me, I have to purge regularly (which isn't a bad thing, but I end up recording less often and miss some fun stuff I would have wanted to record!)

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  • VoodooIT
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    For your first test on playclaw, do it with no compression and @ 30 frames per second. This test will let you know if playclaw has the same limitation of FRAPS where your gameplay fps is locked to your recording fps. If they are in fact locked, you would notice a much lower framerate than you typically see in a non-recording situation.

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  • Pvt Brokeback
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    I'll try to get some tests in this weekend also, but Vegas beckons, and from my experience Vegas and productivity are mutually exclusive. The tests may have to wait until a week from now.

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  • Wicks
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    With regards to Playclaw, for me its extremely relevant whether or not it caps your framerate to the recording rate as Fraps is supposed to. If this is the case then I would be most interested in the 60FPS mode as I don't really want to play at 30FPS if I can help it. The effect of compression on quality and frame rates/CPU etc would be interesting. I'll try and get mine done this weekend.

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  • Pvt Brokeback
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    Ooohh, good to hear the 8x lane limit isn't as limiting on current graphics cards. Like Wickens, I currently have a 5870, and it sounds like adding a 2nd in crossfire in a few years will be minimally impacted by the PCI lane limit, if at all.

    To get back on topic about increasing performance while recording, I tried recording under Fraps and PlayClaw last night, but I realized I was going into it pretty blind. I've never really recorded gameplay up until now, so I'm pretty unfamiliar with the settings. I have the free version of Fraps, so my options are limited. If I remember right, all I can only choose the framerate to record at. As for PlayClaw, I can also choose the framerate, as well as compression (no, low, high), and the number of cores to use for compression.

    For benchmarking/comparison purposes, what settings should I set it to? Should I choose a low framerate of 30 fps or try a higher framerate at 60 fps? I guess I should try a multitude of settings, but it'd be nice to try and cut down the test scenarios if possible.

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  • Namebot
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    There were some tests by a couple of hardware sites that showed that the 1156 PCIE bandwidth took a very minor hit in dual card configuration.

    The performance only began to suffer significantly in 3/4 card setups.



    Most all RAM should adjust itself automatically to the same(lowest) latencies and bandwidth in the grouping. I've done this many times and have never attributed problems to it. I would be more suspicious that some of the RAM just doesn't like that particular motherboard or the other way around. Or the RAM may just be bad even if it passes tests.

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  • Bamboo
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    Re: What Upgrade will Give the Best Increase in Fraps FPS?

    Originally posted by Pvt Brokeback View Post
    This is off topic...

    Wickens, I have a near-identical rig - core i5 570, 5870, 4gb RAM 1333; stock speed (will OC later) - but i heard concerns about running video cards in crossfire on the 1156 platform due to the 8x PCI lane limit. Is this something you're not concerned about, or is it something I shouldn't really worry about until next gen video cards?

    On another side note, I thought if you were going to add more RAM to your system, it was recommended that you add RAM of the same CAS latency as the RAM you currently have. I've heard adding RAM of different CAS latency can lead to unexpected errors.

    You are correct about the RAM. If possible you should really try to buy exact matching RAM to what you have, but that is usually hard to do if you decide a year or 2 later that you want more RAM. My first real PC from Gateway came with 256mb, and I upgraded it with another 512 stick (this was like 7 years ago). Since I upgraded I get infrequent BSOD, about 2x a week. I have tried other gfx. cards, have reinstalled XP a dozen times, and other stuff, and it only seems to crash with that RAM. I even upgraded again to 2x 512 sticks, same speed but different brand and have no clue about latency, and still get the crashes. Memory test fine though in Memtest and others.

    As far as the PCI-e maxing out the lane limit in crossfire, I posted an interview a while back with ATI head guy and he said their top end card still didn't max out 8x. I think that was during the 3000 or 4000 series. Not sure what the new 6000 high end due out soon will do though. Don't forget pci-e 3.0 motherboards should be showing up next year to fix any future problems.

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