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    ok, so I was doing random math in my head... (again, I am such a geek)

    I was thinking about 15 years ago and the amount of computing power I had total

    .066ghz / .008GB ram / .52GB hdd

    (dx2 66mhz, 8meg ram, 520meg hdd)

    total... all computers I had anything to do with

    today, my numbers look something like this:

    home:

    45.4ghz / 31 GB ram / 24 TB hdd

    8core 3.2ghz / 12GB ram /60GB + 1TB + 4x2TB + 3x3TB + 2x1.5TB + 2x750GB
    2core 2.53ghz / 8GB ram / 640GB + 250GB
    4core 1.83ghz / 4GB ram / 250GB
    2core 1.66ghz / 4GB ram / 250GB
    1core 1.6ghz / 2GB / 16GB
    1core 1.0ghz / 512MB / 24GB
    1core 1.0ghz / 512MB / 24GB

    computers I use at work:

    58Ghz / 34.5GB / 4.5TB

    4core 1.3ghz / 2GB / 190GB
    1core 3.2ghz / 2GB / 500GB + 40GB
    1core 2.4ghz / 2GB / 80GB
    1core 2.2ghz / 1.5GB / 250GB
    2core 1.83ghz / 2GB / 320GB
    4core 2.23ghz / 6GB / 750GB
    4core 2.23ghz / 8GB / 640GB + 640GB
    2core 2.4ghz / 2.5GB / 320GB
    2core 2.4ghz / 2.5GB / 320GB
    2core 2.4ghz / 2.5GB / 320GB
    2core 2.4ghz / 2.5GB / 320GB
    1core 2.1ghz / 1GB / 30GB

    Total:

    103.4ghz / 65.5 GB ram / 28.5 TB hdd

    1567x more power than 15 years ago
    8188x more ram
    54808x more hard drive space


    now, I am not including things like memory sticks, laptops and desktops not in service (I could install an OS on probably 8 or 10 more computers if I needed to), DVR's, wii, xbox360, ps3, HDD not in service, phones not in service, ipods and mp3 players, car stereos, gps, photo frames, remote controls, calculators, camcorders, cameras, dumb phones, printers, routers, sound cards, video cards, cable boxes, or anything else that has any sort of CPU or data storage.

    I find these number staggering. I may be on an extreme with my home numbers - especially with HDD space, but do the math for 15 years ago and what you have in service in your home right now... what is your ratio like?
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  • #2
    Re: what's your computating power?

    Now, I'm doing these computations based on computers I personally owned (or own, in the present time frame), not my parents, who always had better gear than I did...at least until I got my first job at 15.

    First computer (1987, and yes, it was MINE):
    Apple II/C
    1MHz processor
    128kb RAM
    NO HDD (everything ran on 5.25" floppies, so tecnically 140kb at a time)

    Current home setup:
    6 core 3.43GHz / 12GB / 1.5TB + 2TB + 2TB
    2 core 1.86GHz / 2GB / 500GB
    2 core 2.44GHz / 4GB / 500GB + 1TB
    2 core 3.00GHz / 2GB / 500GB
    Total: 35.18GHz / 20GB / 8TB
    Difference:
    35180x more processing power
    98304x more memory
    61356676x more HD space

    Now, if you only want to go back 15 years, I can run the numbers on that too...
    15 years ago (circa 1996):
    Pentium Pro 133MHz
    4MB RAM
    1GB HDD

    Differences:
    264x more processor power
    3072x more RAM
    8192x more HDD space

    So the numbers arent nearly as astounding as yours, but then again, I only have 4 computers to your 19 used for your total. Also, your numbers are off. Remember that gigbytes/megabytes/kilobytes dont follow the same mathematical function as hertz.
    1GHz=1000MHz=1000000000Hz
    whereas
    1TB=1024GB=1048576MB=1073741824kb

    So your difference math should be:
    1567x more processing power (same)
    8384x more RAM (difference of 196x)
    57470x more HDD space (difference of 2662x)

    You may be a geek, but I'm a nerd. :icon26:

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    • #3
      Re: what's your computating power?

      Originally posted by Ferris Bueller View Post

      You may be a geek, but I'm a nerd. :icon26:
      lololololol

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      • #4
        Re: what's your computating power?

        It really is amazing how much power we have these days. It blows my mind to think that my cell phone, something that fits in the palm of my hand, has more computing power than entire warehouses full of computers, barely a few decades ago. I remember having to swap out disks (many many times) to play King's Quest, and now games are like "15gb necessary for installation," and we don't even bat an eye. Your numbers are staggering, and it really does boggle the mind to ponder on the subject.
        "Common sense is not so common." -Voltaire

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        • #5
          Re: what's your computating power?

          Not as easy to calculate off hand, but pointing out the improvements in computing efficiency, power efficiency, size reduction just to start are impressive as well.
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          • #6
            Re: what's your computating power?

            ok... I know about the 10^ vs 2^ deal... I used the disk manufacturers numbers (what they say the disk actually is).... because a 2TB hdd is actually 2,000,000,000,000 but is formatted by windows to 1862.62 GB I used the actual 2 trillion bytes for the number... made the math easier. both numbers are correct.

            I also realize that my i7 is not really 8 cores times 3.2ghz, and that 1 i7 3.2ghz is like 2 p4 3.2ghz..., but I am just going on face value numbers. WE could pull out the books and check flops - but i'm lazy

            Also, I forgot to separate my totals into home and work as well for the difference....

            home

            688x more processing power
            3875x more ram
            46153x more disk space.

            extrapolating, where will we be 15 years from now.

            1 computer?
            total computer power?

            wow.
            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein
            The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity. -Harlan Ellison

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            • #7
              Re: what's your computating power?

              Originally posted by =DdogG= View Post
              extrapolating, where will we be 15 years from now.

              1 computer?
              total computer power?

              wow.
              My theory is that a lot of computing will be cloud based in 15 years. What will that mean? Almost instant "booting," insane processing power accessible to the masses, limitless storage space, etc. (for a cost, of course). I'm not too crazy about the idea, since I don't want to be dependent on my internet connection, but I do believe it's where we're headed either way.
              "Common sense is not so common." -Voltaire

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              • #8
                Re: what's your computating power?

                Here are my figures. This first set is only what I have in the house right (desktop, laptops, and netbooks). I'm not including any past rigs which are in pieces around the house or partly passed on to others.

                Home: 45.26 GHz / 25.5 GBs / 5.45 TBs

                My main rig: 4 core / 3.6 GHz / 8.0 GBs / 1.5 TB + 1.5 TB + 320 GB
                Mother's rig: 2 core / 3.0 GHz / 2.5 GBs / 80 GB
                Sister's rig: 2 core / 2.5 GHz / 2.0 GBs / 80 GB + 250 GB
                Father's rig: 1 core / 2.2 GHz / 1.0 GBs / 120 GB
                LAN rig: 2 core / 3.6 GHz / 4.0 GBs / 250 GB
                Netbook: 1 core / 1.66 GHz / 2.0 GBs / 160 GB + 120 GB
                Laptop: 2 core / 2.8 GHz / 4.0 GBs / 320 GB
                HTPC: 2 core / 1.6 GHz / 2.0 GBs / 1.0 TB

                Here are past rigs: 9.65 GHz / 2.5 GBs / 0.28 TB

                First PC: 1 core / 233 MHz / 32.0 MBs / 6 GBs (This was the family's first PC, a beige box clone right as the Pentium 233 MMX first released in March 2005.)
                2nd PC: 1 core / 600 MHz / 256 MBs / 15 GBs (This was a crappy Sony Viao, first generation desktop. It had a Celeron 600 and got sent back for repairs 6 times in 8 months.)
                First rig: 1 core / 1.67 GHz / 0.5 GBs / 80 GBs
                2nd rig: 1 core / 2.66 GHz / 1.0 GBs / 80 GBs
                3rd rig: 2 core / 2.66 GHz / 1.0 GBs / 120 GBs

                Total: 54.91 GHz / 28.0 GBs / 5.73 TBs
                (Not including any of the rigs I salvaged from the alley or from others/businesses. I still have a 486SX, 2 Pentium Pros, and a few other rigs in various dismantled states.)

                I don't nearly have as much storage capacity as everyone else does, but I do have about the same "computational power" and memory as everyone else above.
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                • #9
                  Re: what's your computating power?

                  Really?

                  lol I'm being censored huh? Why delete my post? It was neither offensive nor off topic and was informative.

                  Hopefully it was a mistake or I'm just missing something. But if not, that's just sad.

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                  • #10
                    Re: what's your computating power?

                    what'd I miss? I don't see any any deleted posts. what did you say?
                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein
                    The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity. -Harlan Ellison

                    If all else fails: "rm -rf /"

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                    • #11
                      Re: what's your computating power?

                      Originally posted by sordavie View Post
                      Really?

                      lol I'm being censored huh? Why delete my post? It was neither offensive nor off topic and was informative.

                      Hopefully it was a mistake or I'm just missing something. But if not, that's just sad.
                      I don't see any deleted posts either. So I looked in the moderation log and apparently *I* deleted it. Not only did I delete it, but I did it at a really odd hour from my cell phone. It was indeed done from my home IP address too.

                      That being said, It wasn't intentional at all and I'm not sure what I did that caused that post to be deleted. I know exactly what one you're talking about too because when you started talking about Moore's law I got even more interested!! My sincere apologies.
                      Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" while looking for a bigger stick.

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                      • #12
                        Re: what's your computating power?

                        Can we get a re-post of Sordavie's contribution to the thread, please? I hope that's possible. Sorry that happened, man. I just hate it when I finish writing some awesome, well written post, just to accidentally hit the back button on my mouse or something.
                        "Common sense is not so common." -Voltaire

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                        • #13
                          Re: what's your computating power?

                          Ahh, well glad it was a mistake rather than something intentional. Apology accepted. :)

                          What I had posted was an explanation of sorts for why it's really not so surprising that computational power has risen so quickly. Or maybe why it is psychologically surprising but it shouldn't be. Moore estimated that the number of transistors we can inexpensively place on an integrated circuit doubles every 18-24 months. This this has been termed Moore's Law. So far that's been pretty accurate and is expected to be accurate for another 10 years. This sort of doubling is exponential and, psychologically, we're notoriously bad at estimating exponential growth.

                          Here's a thought experiment that gets my students going every time, mostly because they get it so wrong: suppose we take a regular 1mm thick sheet of paper and fold it in half. The result is a 2mm thick sheet of paper. If we fold that in half again, its 4mm thick. Try estimating, not calculating, how thick it would be if we did this process 64 times?
                          --------------------------------------------------------------
                          Answer below the fold.


























                          ------------------------------------------------------------
                          Most people estimate anywhere from a few inches to a few feet and they're totally off.

                          At 64 of these folds, the paper is about 1/6 of a light year thick.

                          How did we get such a huge number if we started with a piece of paper that's 1mm thick and this simple process of folding in half? It's exponential growth! We're just horrible estimation of this kind unless we already knew what the mathematical calculations are going to look like.

                          1mm * 2^64 = approx 1/6th of a light year.

                          At 30 folds it's thicker than the atmosphere surrounding the Earth.
                          At 100 folds, it's as thick as the known universe is wide - about 12 billion light years.

                          Moore's Law is a law of exponential growth, and it works in exactly the same way that folding our piece of paper did. Given that the integrated circuit was invented in 1958. It's 2011 now. So that's 53 years. So we're talking about the original number of transistors on integrated circuits in 1958 * 2^26.5. That's like doing the folding process to our paper 26 times! Or if you want to think about how economical transistor growth has been since you began using computers more generally: number of transistors on integrated circuits in the year n * 2^(2011-n).

                          So it's not really surprising at all that computing power has risen so quickly in such a short time. Or at least it shouldn't be.

                          [edit] Notice why Moore's Law can't go on being accurate in the long run: it would tell us that, relatively quickly (in 200 years?), we will be able to economically put more transistors on an integrated circuit than there are atoms in the universe. But that's absurd.
                          Last edited by sordavie; 04-27-2011, 11:01 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: what's your computating power?

                            Originally posted by Apophis View Post
                            I don't see any deleted posts either. So I looked in the moderation log and apparently *I* deleted it. Not only did I delete it, but I did it at a really odd hour from my cell phone. It was indeed done from my home IP address too.

                            That being said, It wasn't intentional at all and I'm not sure what I did that caused that post to be deleted. I know exactly what one you're talking about too because when you started talking about Moore's law I got even more interested!! My sincere apologies.
                            Now I have proof Apophis sleep walks! (and deletes any interesting posts) :p
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                            TG World of Tanks Clan Executive Officer
                            Former 9th & 13th

                            Pronounciation: Eh-Cree-Oh Ah-Nay-Ess
                            Still can't say it? Call me Acorn then. -.-





                            SSDs I Own: Kingston HyperX 3K (240 GB), Samsung 840 Pro (256 GB), Samsung 840 EVO (250 GB), Samsung 840 x 2 (120 GB), Plextor M5S (120 GB), OCZ Vertex (30 GB)

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                            • #15
                              Re: what's your computating power?

                              Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
                              Now I have proof Apophis sleep walks! (and deletes any interesting posts) :p
                              I actually have a habit of waking up in the early morning hours before my alarm clock goes off and I check the forums using the Tapatalk app on my phone while I'm laying in bed. It's not uncommon for me to fall back asleep halfway through reading stuff. It's a strange take on pocket dialing, I'm just pocket deleting. :)
                              Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" while looking for a bigger stick.

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