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  • Scratch needs new mobo, thoughts?

    What Scratch is looking for in a mobo is:

    * 6 SATA 3 ports
    * AT LEAST ONE (1) PCI-E 3.0 X 16 slot (from what Scratch understands, the slot is backwards compatible so that the PCI-E 2.0 X 16 card will work in it for now, correct?).
    * LGA 1155
    * ONE (1) PCI-E X 1 port for my sound card
    * ATX, or Extended ATX

    What Scratch is NOT looking for(does not necessarily need) in a mobo is:

    * Onboard sound
    * Onboard video
    * A bazillion ports
    * Smaller than ATX
    * Open box
    * Something over US$300

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    This is the board Scratch thinks he wants, buuuuutt........

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157328

    Never seen this company before, anybody else know them? Are they reputable? Any thoughts on the board itself? Any free hugs you can give to Scratch? (Scratch loves hugs!)

    It also looks like it has a little gimmicky water cooling....thing. Does it require a water cooling setup or is it just some internal gimmick?
    Scratch doesn't have any experience building a water cooled system, and nor does the funds to start such a setup yet.

    Any ideas for a better board?

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    These are the parts that Scratch does have and if anybody has any recommendations based on them(Not including peripherals):

    Old mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130573
    PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153144
    Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133056
    Sound Card: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121467
    CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115070
    CPU Cooling: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835181015
    Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220620 X 2 (32 Gb total)
    Blu-Ray: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827249079
    HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136533
    SSD's: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147248
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233515
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    Re: Scratch needs new mobo, thoughts?

    Yes. ASRock makes good boards. Almost as good as ASUS, since they used to be a division of ASUS and still maintain close ties.

    The "water cooling" part is a marketing ploy. They use heatpipes to help cool the chipset and MOSFETs and VRMs on your board. Those heatpipes contain a special water-based liquid sealed in. Hence why they are throwing in "combines water cooling and air cooling". It's no different than hundreds of other boards.

    Save yourself a ton of cash and get:

    ASRock Z77 Extreme4: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157293
    * has 4 SATA 6 Gb/s ports (2 more than your old board) - you could plug in a couple more current/next generation SSDs
    * supports SLI (aka has two PCI-Express slots)
    * supports up to 32 GBs of DDR3 RAM

    I don't see the need for 6 SATA 6 Gb/s ports in your case considering by the time you might end up using all six, you'd be better off consolidating your SSDs into one larger one and/or building a new machine.
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    • #3
      Re: Scratch needs new mobo, thoughts?

      Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
      Yes. ASRock makes good boards. Almost as good as ASUS, since they used to be a division of ASUS and still maintain close ties.

      The "water cooling" part is a marketing ploy. They use heatpipes to help cool the chipset and MOSFETs and VRMs on your board. Those heatpipes contain a special water-based liquid sealed in. Hence why they are throwing in "combines water cooling and air cooling". It's no different than hundreds of other boards.
      Just watched the vid on the site: Apparently, one could hook up a watercooling system if one wanted to and had the ability OR one could use simply aircooling. One simply pops off the caps or leaves them on.

      Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
      Save yourself a ton of cash and get:

      ASRock Z77 Extreme4: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157293
      * has 4 SATA 6 Gb/s ports (2 more than your old board) - you could plug in a couple more current/next generation SSDs
      * supports SLI (aka has two PCI-Express slots)
      * supports up to 32 GBs of DDR3 RAM

      I don't see the need for 6 SATA 6 Gb/s ports in your case considering by the time you might end up using all six, you'd be better off consolidating your SSDs into one larger one and/or building a new machine.
      Six sounded better because the computer has four hard drives(one hdd, three ssd), plus the blu-ray leaving room for one more drive. IMO it is cheaper to buy another SSD rather than to try to consolidate by buying a bigger drive.

      However, Blu-ray will work just as fine on SATA II, and maybe you're right and it would be better to consolidate drives rather than bombard the computer with more and more drives.
      Also, it saves Scratch some scratch too!

      Well your board has replaced the board that the one in the original post! Any other thoughts or tips before the bills are dropped on it or any others?
      Last edited by ScratchnSniff0; 01-02-2014, 07:26 PM. Reason: Scratch needs to proofread better.

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        Re: Scratch needs new mobo, thoughts?

        I only buy ASUS boards. Rock solid, year after year. http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-P8Z77-V-P...=asus+lga+1155

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          Re: Scratch needs new mobo, thoughts?

          Both boards are good boards,, cant go wrong with either. Go with the cheaper or with the looks in colour scheme.

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            Re: Scratch needs new mobo, thoughts?

            Originally posted by ScratchnSniff0 View Post
            Just watched the vid on the site: Apparently, one could hook up a watercooling system if one wanted to and had the ability OR one could use simply aircooling. One simply pops off the caps or leaves them on.
            You can water or air cool with any motherboard. Again, marketing ploy to sell the more expensive board.

            Six sounded better because the computer has four hard drives(one hdd, three ssd), plus the blu-ray leaving room for one more drive. IMO it is cheaper to buy another SSD rather than to try to consolidate by buying a bigger drive.

            However, Blu-ray will work just as fine on SATA II, and maybe you're right and it would be better to consolidate drives rather than bombard the computer with more and more drives.
            Also, it saves Scratch some scratch too!
            Keep in mind, most of the current HDDs may be compatible with SATA III ports but will almost never saturate a SATA II port (limit approximately is 240 MB/s read and 220 MB/s write). I only know of a few mechanical HDDs that can hit a SATA II's limits and even then you are probably better off getting a SSD for the cost. So there is no point in throwing a mechanical HDD onto a SATA III port. Those ports should be reserved for SATA III SSDs.

            Hell Blu-Ray and most optical drives and writers will run fine on a SATA I port. They don't move enough data to saturate a SATA I port, much less a SATA II or III port.
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            • #7
              Re: Scratch needs new mobo, thoughts?

              Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
              You can water or air cool with any motherboard. Again, marketing ploy to sell the more expensive board.
              I gotchya, I was just stating what they claim you can do. I don't even care about water cooling cause I don't OC ever.

              Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
              Keep in mind, most of the current HDDs may be compatible with SATA III ports but will almost never saturate a SATA II port (limit approximately is 240 MB/s read and 220 MB/s write). I only know of a few mechanical HDDs that can hit a SATA II's limits and even then you are probably better off getting a SSD for the cost. So there is no point in throwing a mechanical HDD onto a SATA III port. Those ports should be reserved for SATA III SSDs.

              Hell Blu-Ray and most optical drives and writers will run fine on a SATA I port. They don't move enough data to saturate a SATA I port, much less a SATA II or III port.
              I understand, I just like to keep things as consistent as possible . Plus, if I do upgrade, I'd rather have the option to hook up an SSD to that port. And I don't have the HDD for speed, but for keeping large amounts of data; photos and such. I did not know about the blu-ray transfer speeds. I knew they held quite a bit of data though so I just figured the faster the better. They only ever put X1, X10, Xinfinity speeds on their products so I did not know their actual transfer speeds.

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              As always you are a magical font that springs forth a wealth of technical knowledge! :)

              I do have a few further questions that I would like to ask though:

              I usually just use the thermal paste that is on the heatsink when I attach it to the cpu. This time I got some Arctic Silver 5 to use and here are the instructions they give.

              http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appm..._line_v1.1.pdf

              I think I understand everything except the break in time. What is that and how do I do that?

              Also, when you do an install, do you tint the cpu and heatsink as the instructions suggest? Do you do anything different than what the instructions suggest?

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              • #8
                Re: Scratch needs new mobo, thoughts?

                *hugs for Scratch* :p

                Originally posted by ScratchnSniff87
                I usually just use the thermal paste that is on the heatsink when I attach it to the cpu. This time I got some Arctic Silver 5 to use and here are the instructions they give.
                I would have recommended Arctic MX-2 over Arctic Silver 5. Better stuff than the old horse AS5 has. There are usually two methods to applying paste: dot and line. The dot method is where you squeeze about a quarter size (flattened) glob of paste onto the center of the heatspreader on the CPU. The line method is where you squeeze a line of paste through the center of the heatsink and that line would be roughly 3/4's the width of the heatspreader. Personally I tend to do a small "+" or a "X" on the center of the heatspreader.

                "Tinting" in this context is using a plastic card to spread and distribute the thermal paste evenly across the heatspreader. Given the amount of pressure most aftermarket coolers apply, I usually don't even bother spreading out the paste anymore. (That and the center area of the heatspreader is where the heat originates from.)

                When you go and apply the heatsink on top, you want to set it and screw/push-pin it down evenly. That keeps the paste from spreading out unevenly.
                Last edited by Acreo Aeneas; 01-06-2014, 06:48 PM.
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                • #9
                  Re: Scratch needs new mobo, thoughts?

                  Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
                  *hugs for Scratch* :p
                  Yay! :D

                  Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
                  I would have recommended Arctic MX-2 over Arctic Silver 5. Better stuff than the old horse AS5 has.
                  Dang! Wish I would have heard about MX-2 before, is it really that much better?

                  Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
                  There are usually two methods to applying paste: dot and line. The dot method is where you squeeze about a quarter size (flattened) glob of paste onto the center of the heatspreader on the CPU. The line method is where you squeeze a line of paste through the center of the heatsink and that line would be roughly 3/4's the width of the heatspreader. Personally I tend to do a small "+" or a "X" on the center of the heatspreader.
                  They made us do this in our CPADS introductory course. It was really easy. My biggest issue was with the so-called Break-In period. I've never heard of this before and we didn't talk about it class. This manual just mentions doing and how long it takes but never states what I have to do. Do I have to do something special like leave it on for a special period of time? Do I have to keep the CPU loaded for this period of time or what?

                  Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
                  "Tinting" in this context is using a plastic card to spread and distribute the thermal paste evenly across the heatspreader. Given the amount of pressure most aftermarket coolers apply, I usually don't even bother spreading out the paste anymore. (That and the center area of the heatspreader is where the heat originates from.)

                  When you go and apply the heatsink on top, you want to set it and screw/push-pin it down evenly. That keeps the paste from spreading out unevenly.
                  They make it sound like you tint it, THEN put the line or x or whatever it is. I think I am going to try that.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Scratch needs new mobo, thoughts?

                    You do not have to wait for the paste to settle. The way you see it come out of the tube is the way it'll stay at room temps. You can put the heatsink on any time after applying the paste.

                    I would advise mounting the CPU and RAM on the board and then mounting the board to your case before mounting the cooler. Otherwise, you might have trouble getting in all the mobo screws and/or not be able to mount the RAM stick closest/under the heatsink.
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