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  • Upgrade time, need some help.

    So I originally built my current PC in 2010, along the way I've replaced a few parts that failed and added little bits like extra RAM, bigger PSU. However I now feel it's gotten to the stage where I need to give it more of a base overhaul. The standard I want to achieve is to be able to play squad high and ideally get another 2-3 years out of it.

    Here's what I've currently got:

    Samsung SH-D163C Black, 48x CD-ROM
    Antec Sonata III Super Black Mini T
    8GB (4x2GB) CorsairTwinX XMS3, DDR3
    320 GB Samsung HD322HJ Spinpoint F1
    AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition,
    MSI 770-G45, AMD 770, AM3, PCI-E 2.
    AMD Radeon HD 6570 GPU

    Where should I invest for the best increase in performance? Not really thought about a budget yet, but probably around 400-500GBP as a starting point.
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    Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

    Recommended system requirements from Steam:

    OS: Windows 7 SP1 (x64), Windows 8 (x64), Windows 10 (x64)
    Processor: 3 GHz Quad-Core 64-bit CPU
    Memory: 6 GB RAM
    Graphics: DX12 Compatible GPU with 2 GB VRAM
    DirectX: Version 12
    Network: Broadband Internet connection
    Storage: 3 GB available space

    Better graphics card

    another 2x4GB ram

    Mainboard+CPU

    in that order generally
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    • #3
      Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

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      Last edited by Namebot; 12-08-2015, 01:18 AM.
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      • #4
        Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

        Suggestions :
        Wait till summer's tech release lineups. AMD and others should be releasing some new stuff.

        If you wait a little consider
        Win 10 pro
        Compare and Contrast AMD Zen with Intel I7 vs 8 core
        DDR 4 16Gb
        Dx12 cards-- HBM equipped cards

        Yes, we are seeing better performance in games from having 6 to 8 threads--Fallout4.



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          Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

          BeSiege, that's a long way off...
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          • #6
            Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

            A decent intermediate upgrade would be to get a newer GPU, somewhere around the GTX 960/970 range for the Nvidia (or the AMD equivalent).

            8 gigs is plenty (I'm rocking 8 and are playing Elite, Arma, and BF4 no issues)

            Possibly a SSD for an OS and using the 320 as additional storage. The only issue I see is compatibility issues with your older motherboard. I would look into that as well, if you don't mind doing a system re install (which makes the computer run as if you've upgraded it)

            For 500 pounds (750USD), and some recycling, you could just go for a new board, cpu and ssd without too much hassle, whats the wattage on the PSU you got? I'd re-use the Hard Drive, RAM, PSU, Case, and CD drive

            I am not the kind of guy who buys bleeding edge or waits on stuff to come out. If you want some advice or a build list one what i would do for you, PM me and I can scrounge up a new egg list for ya :D
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            • #7
              Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

              Thanks for the help so far, a lot to consider.

              I'm keen to get parts for this on order over the next couple of weeks, as come the new year my unit is on standby duties meaning a lot of time in camp with little to do.

              The newer PSU I bought is 650W.

              Sir-Nerd I've dropped you a PM.

              From the PR forums I've had this combination suggested to me

              i5-4460 http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel...pu-84w-cpu-ret
              R9 380 (4GB model for increased future compatibility) http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-m...reams-dp-hdmi-
              Asrock H97 Anniversary http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asroc...16%29-hdmi-atx

              thoughts on the above, at a novice glance they look good and come within budget (to allow some money for a SSD)
              Last edited by AnimalMother; 12-09-2015, 08:32 AM.
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              • #8
                Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

                I'll second BeSiege's recommendation of holding off to see what AMD's ZEN brings to the table next summer.

                For the meantime, a great intermediate upgrade in precedence:

                1) GPU
                2) SSD

                These two items will give you the best overall performance upgrade that is immediately noticeable and effective. You can also overlock your 965 BE to 4.2-4.4 GHz assuming you have a decent air cooler (or a water cooler).
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                • #9
                  Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

                  Willing to go for a Tonga XT aka 380X? The 380 is out performed by older cards.

                  Also, the 965 OC'd to 4.0 to 4.3 Ghz is not bad if you get a new GPU and SSD. Wait 6 months for new hardware.



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                  • #10
                    Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

                    Massively recommend an SSD - best upgrade I ever done. Snagged this for 100 in the black friday sale. Its my 3rd SSD in the system now. My OS has its own and the other 2 are for my games.

                    After that I would look at a new MoBo-RAM-GPU. 500 is a decent budget to get you rocking for Squad.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

                      Now or Later? Are willing to wait a little for the main parts? If you get a gpu and ssd now, you can move them over when you rebuild.



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                      • #12
                        Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

                        As Acreo and Seige mentioned, keeping the Phenom for a while longer is very doable. The Black Edition was MADE for overclocking, with unlocked multipliers, so I'd recommend giving it a shot overclocked.

                        Never overclocked before? This is perfect time to give it a shot. Absolute worst-case scenario and you fry your CPU (very unlikely)? Well, it didn't matter that much because you were planning to replace it anyway.

                        One thing you can do to make things more stable and squeeze even more out of your card is to invest in a high-end air cooler or entry-level closed-loop water cooler. You can re-use it on your next cpu upgrade. (anything decent should come with different mounting brackets)

                        In the short term, this saves you both the cost of a new motherboard and CPU, and buys you some time for new tech to come out and prices to come down.

                        Oh, and I agree with Jeepo and co. about SSDs. They will change your life.


                        Suggested current upgrade:

                        GTX 970 or R9 390(~350$ New) - Personal preference. R9 390 tends to be a slightly cheaper and afaik better performing, 970 is slightly more power efficient and afaik better overclocking.
                        Closed-loop liquid CPU cooler or high-end air cooler (~60$ New)
                        250 GB SSD (~80$ New)

                        Total: ~ 490$ (325 lb)


                        Suggested future upgrade

                        See how AMD's Zen shakes out, pick a reasonable CPU from either manufacturer. (~200-300$)
                        - New, good-quality motherboard (~100$)
                        - 8 GB of DDR3 is still fine, re-use it. (0$)
                        - 2TB Hard Drive for Porn (~70$)

                        Total: ~370-470$ (245-310 lb)


                        Grand Upgrade Total: 670-720 lb (Disclaimer: I don't know what the market is like for PC parts in GB. Cost based on US prices.)


                        Obviously if you want to shop for used parts, this can be way cheaper. Check out LinusTechTips' "Scrapyard Wars" for uber-cheap gaming pc building.

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                          Re: Upgrade time, need some help.

                          DDR3 may no longer be a valid option by the time Zen releases. From what I've read, Zen will feature a new integrated DDR4 controller. Some are hoping it's hybrid similar to the current A10 Pro chips, but I doubt it is since the A10 Pro's controller is a hybrid to help the transition into DDR4. Intel is planning on their next chip to be DDR4 only as well. New RAM is probably going to be a must.
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                          TG World of Tanks Clan Executive Officer
                          Former 9th & 13th

                          Pronounciation: Eh-Cree-Oh Ah-Nay-Ess
                          Still can't say it? Call me Acorn then. -.-





                          SSDs I Own: Kingston HyperX 3K (240 GB), Samsung 840 Pro (256 GB), Samsung 840 EVO (250 GB), Samsung 840 x 2 (120 GB), Plextor M5S (120 GB), OCZ Vertex (30 GB)

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