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  • In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

    I have a list of parts from newegg that I'm currently looking at, and I don't know (especially on the technical stuff) parts, if it's good or not. I can afford all of it, mind you, but I don't really want to go above what I have in total price right now. The list, as it is:

    Mobo:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128301

    CPU:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103547

    RAM:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227210

    Vid Card:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127187

    Power Supply:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103932

    Case:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119068

    Drive:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106988

    Hard Drive:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144421

    Monitor:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824006095

    Mouse:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826105122

    Keyboard:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16823126178

    I don't know if it's all compatible, first off. I would like some help finding out.
    Second off, do I need more fans? Are the ones that come with the CPU/Power Supply/whatever, are they enough?
    Third off, what about if I want to slave my current HD for the second one (that I linked to above) to be main? I have a lot of music that I refuse to delete and download again, so can I just delete the OS from this one when I slave it for the new one, and then buy a new copy of XP for the new HD? If I do, slaving is easy right? You can just select which HD you want to save stuff to, where to install stuff, all that?

    Thanks for all the help.

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    Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

    That LCD is much too slow for gaming. 16ms needs to be atleast 12, and preferably 4-8ms for an LCD.
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    • #3
      Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

      I can't look through all it right now, but the only thing i would worry about the most is if your power supply is great enough for your parts, and some vid cards require extra power outlets and stuff. If you have a small case, I would suggest more cooling fans, but if you have some room i wouldn't suggest them. Ill try to take a look back when i have some time, i have to go off to bed now.

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      • #4
        Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

        Everything looks good to me.. but if I were to spend $400 on an LCD, I'd wait until a sale on the 20" Dell screens come up. They get down to that price and are absolutely beautiful - at least my 2001FP is. 2005FPW, the wide screen model, is also very nice. Only 1" additional space, but mine does 1600x1200. With that nice video card you should be able to push any game out right now at that resolution. It "only" has a 16ms response time but games look great to me!

        Retail CPU, so no heatsink or fan needed, but if you wanna overclock at all you'll want to go aftermarket. Looks like that case has 1 80mm and 1 120mm fan slot, with the 120mm in the back coming filled -- so you should be alright there. Vid card has a cooler on it. All the stock stuff will be loud, so if noise bothers you then be prepared to replace stuff.

        The HD you have picked out is SATA, which is good, but if your current one is PATA (old style..) then it won't be a slave per se.. it'll just be another drive and you can change the boot order. Put the SATA HD on its own cable, old HD primary master, DVD-RW as secondary master.

        Before deciding on an X2 processor, check out the benchmarks for current games that you play. Normal AMD64 processors may be faster until games start taking advantage of the second core. Either way, you'll have a screamin system :)
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        • #5
          Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

          Perry has some good points there...

          I did my first build this past summer but stayed with an AGP system because I didn't want to upgrade my EVGA 6800GT.

          I like your choices but I will recommend the Western Digital 10000 RPM Raptor for a HD. I went with the Western Digital. Go back to new egg and read the reviews for that drive and as a gamer, I think it will appeal to you. read through the reviews for that hard drive and I guarantee you will fork over the additional fifty bucks or so for the outstanding increase in performace...Your investing alot and theres no reason why you shouldn't match up those top notch components with a top notch hd...programs will load much faster and you'll never have to worry that the HD is a bottleneck.

          Do ALOT of research on the MOBO...nevermind just reading new egg customer reviews...go to the mfg website and find the support page for the model you want and read the forums for that model going back a long time. that's the place you will find out if there are any outstanding combaptibility issues...eg...when I was researching I found out that my Asus A8V Deluxe was a bad fit with ATI vid cards...(which wasn't a problem for my nvida card)...That kind of thing is kind of elusive sometimes.

          also go to sites like aandatech and tomshardware to look for reviews of your specifi MOBO...you should find tech reviews by doing a google.

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          • #6
            Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

            Originally posted by Spyder
            That LCD is much too slow for gaming. 16ms needs to be atleast 12, and preferably 4-8ms for an LCD.
            What does that even mean?

            Originally posted by perry
            The HD you have picked out is SATA, which is good, but if your current one is PATA (old style..) then it won't be a slave per se.. it'll just be another drive and you can change the boot order. Put the SATA HD on its own cable, old HD primary master, DVD-RW as secondary master.
            I also didn't understand that, but...

            Originally posted by Robbym70
            I like your choices but I will recommend the Western Digital 10000 RPM Raptor for a HD.
            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144160

            It looks really nice... but I almost want to say it's small. Now going back to my original understanding of slaving, could I use that to boot games and have the OS and music and whatever else on the big, old one?

            Last but not least, how about this for a monitor?

            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824197011

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            • #7
              Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

              Old style IDE drives allowed 2 drives per cable. One was the master, one was the slave.

              And you had 2 connectors on the motherboard, the primary and the secondary.

              So you could have primary master and primary slave as say two harddrives, then secondary master and secondary slave as a DVD-RW and CD-ROM or something.

              But SATA uses completely different connectors on the motherboard, so the old hard drive wouldn't be on the same chain as the new one, so it wouldn't be its slave. You can use your new SATA drive to boot off of and the old HD as extra storage.
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              • #8
                Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

                So the new (slightly small but amazingly fast) HD is used to boot the OS from, and it can also store games and music/whatever. The OLD HD is used for games and music, as well?

                If so, wouldn't the games on the old HD boot and be slower since they're not on the fast, new HD?

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                • #9
                  Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

                  Well, yea, which is why you install the games on the new HD :)

                  I like to give Windows its own, relatively small partition, then a larger partition for the rest of my junk. So when its time to reinstall Windows, there is less to backup.

                  Lemme see if I can explain the response time.. It's how fast the monitor is able to change any individual pixel from black to white. On slower monitors, with a response time of like 25ms, it's possible to see ghosting in fast action scenes because the monitor isn't able to react fast enough. But the rating doesn't always tell the whole story, as some companies will fudge a little and give you white-to-gray times or something.
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                  • #10
                    Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

                    Originally posted by AzzMan
                    What does that even mean?
                    Read up on gaming and LCD's. Response time is a measure of how long it takes for the screen to go from all black to all white pixels. The higher the time, the slower the monitor's response to fast-changing colors is. So if you get a high response time, it takes longer for the monitor to change colors, and if you get high enough, you get "ghosting" where your eye is able to identify that the monitor isn't refreshing fast enough. It's about the only important value in FPS gaming. It's also very noticable in action movies. They go as low as 4ms currently.
                    However, this number IS NOT STANDARDIZED, so you really need to buy from a respectable brand in order to be sure of what you're getting. That's why some 16ms screens won't ghost (dell is a prime example, though I've heard you can ghost them on some of the fastest games) while other "faster" screens will.

                    for $400 you can buy pretty much any top of the line 17 or 19" LCD monitor. On the right day, you can get the nice 20" monitors from Dell (yes, dell makes some awesome LCD monitors) with rebates and such. Sony is not known for making top of the line LCD's right at this moment. Go with a brand like Viewsonic or Samsung.
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                    • #11
                      Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

                      With all that said and done (And many thanks again for the help), let's try this ONE MORE TIME... Is THIS a better monitor:

                      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001192

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                      • #12
                        Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

                        Originally posted by AzzMan
                        With all that said and done (And many thanks again for the help), let's try this ONE MORE TIME... Is THIS a better monitor:

                        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001192
                        Time for the lesson on DVI vs Analog inputs I can see. Get a monitor, like the 2nd one, that has a DVI input. After trying both, I can see the difference just on the desktop at 1280x1024, nevermind playing games.

                        The Dell monitors really are a bargain! I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice to not at least consider them when you're looking in this price range and size. Looks like the 2001FP was down to $426.85 on the 29th of October. With Thanksgiving and Christmas coming up, I can see them getting back down to that price or lower. Just keep an eye on www.techbargains.com or any other deals site.
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                        • #13
                          Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

                          Originally posted by black death5
                          I can't look through all it right now
                          Hint: Newegg supports wishlists. Create one and use the "email to a friend" feature to email the link back to yourself. (It would be nice if they had a "show link for forum" feature.) Then post the link to the wishlist here. That's what I did when I had my shopping list ready, to get my team to review it.
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                          • #14
                            Re: In a new millenium of PC parts, I'm going to rebuild mine.

                            Indeed, if your card can do DVI (most anything 6600GT and up does) then you deffinantly want DVI.

                            Some suggested monitors to look at:
                            Hyundai ld90+. Was considered best of best 19" LCD's, but people have been reporting problems after about a month, so I'm not sure I can recommend this one off-hand, do your research.
                            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824179014
                            Viewsonic VX924
                            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824116355
                            Dell 1905FP/2005FP/FPW monitors. These are a bit tricker to get ahold of, but dell.com cycles their refurbs constantly on their site.
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