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  • Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

    Just passing on this news out this morning. Intel is looking to have another good year, and is supposed to have 8 core CPUs out by next Christmas.

    Check out these release dates:
    http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13878

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    Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

    Ok, after 8 cores where do they go? It is difficult to fully utilize 8 cores in a heavily used business application with about 10,000 users, let alone a desktop app with one application.

    Bigger and bigger cache? Restart the clock speed increments? Some other feature?

    When do CPUs become commodities?
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      Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

      Originally posted by El_Gringo_Grande View Post
      When do CPUs become commodities?
      When the next generation comes out.

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        Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

        lol. It will be interesting to see where they go, I'm sure they will find something to do.



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          Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

          Probably effecincy. Keep the same performance but use less power and produce less heat. I would think once they get to quads and 8 core as main stream they will have no choice but to up the speeds. I can't see programmers catching up at the rate they are going to release increased cores. Of course if they come up with an easy method to program multi core and its widely used then the cores will start to ramp up again.

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            Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

            Originally posted by El_Gringo_Grande View Post
            Ok, after 8 cores where do they go? It is difficult to fully utilize 8 cores in a heavily used business application with about 10,000 users, let alone a desktop app with one application.
            That's not surprising. I would expect business apps to be I/O-bound, not CPU-bound. Getting the numbers to/from disk or terminal is going to take longer than adding them together.

            To use 8 cores effectively, you need an application that's CPU-intensive. Graphic rendering fits that bill, and AMD's merging of the CPU and GPU may make that need more common. Games, CAD, and multimedia authoring all have need for rendering.
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              Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

              Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
              That's not surprising. I would expect business apps to be I/O-bound, not CPU-bound. Getting the numbers to/from disk or terminal is going to take longer than adding them together.

              To use 8 cores effectively, you need an application that's CPU-intensive. Graphic rendering fits that bill, and AMD's merging of the CPU and GPU may make that need more common. Games, CAD, and multimedia authoring all have need for rendering.
              CAD and multimedia processing/authoring can always use more CPU. But really that is in the realm of workstation and not PC.

              Games are, of course, the primary use of multiple processing. But let us put that aside for just a second.

              Most mainstream business and single user applications can benefit a certain amount from multiple cores. And being able to run 4 or 5 of those applications will benefit even more. Add on things like VOIP and video decoding and I can see where the average consumer and business user can benefit from octocore technology.

              But after that I just don't see it. I know this sounds like the famous "640k is all they will ever need" but I think it is different.

              Back to games, yes that is an area where 12 and 16 cores could be used so that cinema level graphics and more complex physics and user interactions can happen. But what is the size of that market? Enough to support Intel and AMD?

              I am not saying there isn't the market or that the market won't grow. I just don't see it.

              Possibly if some of the server stuff starts happening in the home like streaming media.

              Another thing that could drive demand is having hundreds of little applications loosely working together. Think Google gears.

              Or maybe expanding who can write software. It is pretty easy with modern day development tools to write applications that do amazing things. But usually they are not the most efficient of apps. With more power you can use code that is more generalized but not as efficient.

              I don't know, it is interesting.
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                Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

                almost makes me want to jump back on the intel bandwagon since AMDs next gen looks to be comming in a distant second, unless they have something unannounced
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                  Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

                  Do remember that most CPUs are not the central processor of a PC. Most are embedded in something. It might be a device in a PC, like a mouse or a disk drive, or it might be the brains of an ATM or a toaster. Almost every hotel room's entry doorknob now has a CPU to control the electronic lock.

                  iPods and cellphones are just the beginning of wearable computers. Expect to be wearing a personal network in the future.
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                    Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

                    I agree that the future is about size and energy efficiency. Super lightweight, energy-efficient laptops with those new foldable displays. And just about anything else that can benefit from a WinTel setup.

                    3) Support game play in a near-simulation environment. Where the focus of play would not be solely on doing what it takes to win, but doing so utilizing real-world combat strategy and tactics rather than leveraging exploits provided to players by the design of the game engine.

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                      Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

                      After doing some real extensive searching I found information that all the new Penryn processors should start arriving at stores on or about January 20th.
                      I can't wait, I am planning on a new build and been waiting on these new processors to come out. I am undecided whether I want the E8500 or the Q9450 though.
                      Also what I had read that the Intel 8 core processor isn't really an 8 core processor but 2 quads on a single motherboard something like AMD has. AMD doesn't look like it has anything in the works anytime soon to really compete with Intel. As long as Intel knows this also they will keep their prices kind of high till AMD does get somethig out there will make Intel take notice to them.
                      I fear AMD may be on it's way down though, I had read they were on the verge of declaring bankruptcy but was able to get a loan or something like that to help pull them out. If theur sales doesn't start picking up and newer technology hit the market that CAN compete with Intel then I think they will fall completely.
                      I have an AMD processor right now but plan on getting Intel cause AMD is a little out of the race.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

                        Yeah, Intel does have the Duel CPU thing going, but it isn't really used often, mostly in server type stuff. That is actually out now.
                        The stuff talked about above is due out around beginning of next year, and is pretty much like to q6600 stuck together on one chip/CPU.
                        I am hoping they are going to get it working like some have talked about where it is like GPU on the CPU, so would no longer need to buy a separate Vid card, which would save a few hundred dollars. Say, let the computer use 2 cores just dedicated to graf.

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                          Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

                          The whole 8-core CPU is great for servers. Especially gaming servers that can rig in dual 8-core CPUs and combine it with a nice 8-16 GBs of RAM. Would make one hell of a server too! :D
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                            Everyone just jump on the intel bandwagon and buy their CPU's, our stock price sucks and I need it back up near $27 or $28 so I can cash out some options. Thanks!

                            Originally posted by ScratchMonkey
                            That's not surprising. I would expect business apps to be I/O-bound, not CPU-bound. Getting the numbers to/from disk or terminal is going to take longer than adding them together.
                            There are already chips in the works that deal with slow I/O. The chip I work on (Itanium chip, Tukwila) will have highspeed IO and will be out either late this year or early next year ;)

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                              Re: Intel details its 45nm assault for early 2008

                              Originally posted by msdz View Post
                              I had read they were on the verge of declaring bankruptcy but was able to get a loan or something like that to help pull them out.
                              doubtful, AMD has lead Intel for about 3 years, the late athalon era, the 64fx and the x2 era, until intel got the conroe in action, and before that, amd was constantly 2nd place to intel, so the past 16 months of not being able to keep up to intel is not going to get them near bankrupsy...
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