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    I just sold my old(ish) desktop. I had built it last year and had made a custom case for it.... It was a AMD 5600+ with dual 8800GTS 320MB yada yada... I loved it, but the case and what not was way to large for my room (Tiny lil thing in a mobile home)....

    Now, I want to build a mATX computer (Expense isnt an issue i've got a rather large disposable income) im going with the Antec P180 Mini case, its the same as the P182 just small form factor like...

    My question is, i would like to go with a Geforce 9 Series (9800GTX?) and a newer Intel Quad... I havnt been keeping up with release dates, and was wondering what the buzz was on a refreshed version of the Q6600....

    I can order these parts now:
    Geforce 8800GTS (G92) w/ 1GB (Pailt)
    Enermax Liberty 630w
    Asus mATX G33 (Supports 1333Fsb and 45nm)
    Tuniq 120 (Loved this cooler in my last desktop)
    4GB DDR2 1066
    Antec P180 Mini
    Asus Xonar PCIe 1x
    Intel Q6600

    Or should I wait and see if i can get a *Q9450*? and a 9800GTX?

    Im so confused.


    *Edit
    Looks like a Q9300 was just released. Gunna get one :)
    Last edited by Black_V!per; 03-13-2008, 06:19 PM. Reason: Hot off the press.
    Oyee

  • #2
    Re: To Build or not to Build.

    weird: I edited and it posted 2X
    see below

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    • #3
      Re: To Build or not to Build.

      I would say it depends on how badly you need a computer.
      If you can wait 2 more weeks till the 9800GTX comes out, then I would do that and see then if the new intel quads are around (they are supposed to be)
      If you need something sooner, the rig above would be top notch, but a few thoughts for you.
      First, make sure the CPU you get is the GO version of the q6600. Most places are selling that if they sell a lot of the chips, but if you buy from a place that doesn't, they might not send you the new version and instead ship out on older one. Google for it and you will find what to look for when buying.
      Next, about memory, good choice on the MB if you really want 1066 memory. I have a simular ASUS and it does a good job supporting the unofficial 1066 speed. Just make sure whatever memory you buy is listed on the ASUS website as being supported. I went with the Corsair Dominator 1066 and have been happy..........
      They did just release a new 4gig kit that I am pretty pissed about.
      It is only $139 after rebates and comes with the cooling fan
      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&Tpk=Dominator
      I paid $140 after rebates for each of my 2 gig kits, so this is like 4 gigs for half the price of my 4 gigs. And that was just 4 months ago.
      And even though it says it doesn't it may still take some tweaking in the bios to get the voltage set right (extreamly easy to do and is done in like 15 sec.)

      I have read a few reviews recently where they tested the special 8800 cards with 1 gig of memory instead of the usual 512 and they all said the same thing. It doesn't really help. Only time it did was a couple of extra FPS when you have AA and AF all the way up and are gaming on like a 24" or 27" screen rez. They said it wasn't worth the money. You said you have the money, but if it is a big difference in $$, I would skip it and spend it on something else, like a new high end set of headphones or keyboard.
      Not sure why it doesn't help the graf. cards, but even the AMD/ATI cards that get the 1 gig specials don't score much if any better. You would think it would give a big boost.

      And there is always the new Nvidia X2 that comes out on March 15th to consider if you really have money burning a hole in your pocket.
      What ever you buy you will need to make sure it fits in that case.
      I don't see the p180 mini on newegg, but I am a huge fan of the p182.
      I did look for some links to judge size, and found this:
      http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1199843
      Which has a link here:
      http://park15.wakwak.com/~hage/minip...180sample.html

      I really can't tell, but it looks like you can put the hard drives in the bottom in the chamber with the power supply like in the full size, which lets you run the computer without the top box in leaving room for a longer card and better air flow.
      I am doing that like in the picture below for the airflow, but you might have to do it just to get the long card in.



      Edit:
      Found the mini on newegg
      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129041
      Crap that is expensive. Hope you can find it on sale. The p182 started like that, but now is on sale for $99 after rebates.
      Edit 2:
      looking at the picks at the link above and the excessories that come with it, the part above I talk about doing is completely possible. What harddrives are OS are you looking at running?

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      • #4
        Re: To Build or not to Build.

        Originally posted by Bamboo View Post
        I would say it depends on how badly you need a computer.
        If you can wait 2 more weeks till the 9800GTX comes out, then I would do that and see then if the new intel quads are around (they are supposed to be)
        If you need something sooner, the rig above would be top notch, but a few thoughts for you.
        First, make sure the CPU you get is the GO version of the q6600. Most places are selling that if they sell a lot of the chips, but if you buy from a place that doesn't, they might not send you the new version and instead ship out on older one. Google for it and you will find what to look for when buying.
        Next, about memory, good choice on the MB if you really want 1066 memory. I have a simular ASUS and it does a good job supporting the unofficial 1066 speed. Just make sure whatever memory you buy is listed on the ASUS website as being supported. I went with the Corsair Dominator 1066 and have been happy..........
        They did just release a new 4gig kit that I am pretty pissed about.
        It is only $139 after rebates and comes with the cooling fan
        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&Tpk=Dominator
        I paid $140 after rebates for each of my 2 gig kits, so this is like 4 gigs for half the price of my 4 gigs. And that was just 4 months ago.
        And even though it says it doesn't it may still take some tweaking in the bios to get the voltage set right (extreamly easy to do and is done in like 15 sec.)

        I have read a few reviews recently where they tested the special 8800 cards with 1 gig of memory instead of the usual 512 and they all said the same thing. It doesn't really help. Only time it did was a couple of extra FPS when you have AA and AF all the way up and are gaming on like a 24" or 27" screen rez. They said it wasn't worth the money. You said you have the money, but if it is a big difference in $$, I would skip it and spend it on something else, like a new high end set of headphones or keyboard.
        Not sure why it doesn't help the graf. cards, but even the AMD/ATI cards that get the 1 gig specials don't score much if any better. You would think it would give a big boost.

        And there is always the new Nvidia X2 that comes out on March 15th to consider if you really have money burning a hole in your pocket.
        What ever you buy you will need to make sure it fits in that case.
        I don't see the p180 mini on newegg, but I am a huge fan of the p182.
        I did look for some links to judge size, and found this:
        http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1199843
        Which has a link here:
        http://park15.wakwak.com/~hage/minip...180sample.html

        I really can't tell, but it looks like you can put the hard drives in the bottom in the chamber with the power supply like in the full size, which lets you run the computer without the top box in leaving room for a longer card and better air flow.
        I am doing that like in the picture below for the airflow, but you might have to do it just to get the long card in.



        Edit:
        Found the mini on newegg
        http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129041
        Crap that is expensive. Hope you can find it on sale. The p182 started like that, but now is on sale for $99 after rebates.
        Edit 2:
        looking at the picks at the link above and the excessories that come with it, the part above I talk about doing is completely possible. What harddrives are OS are you looking at running?
        I was thinking of going with SSD's... A single 32GB with a 750GB for data...

        I've got a 400gb and a 320 sitting around collecting dust filled with music and movies, so i'll toss those in as well...

        Like I said, i want small but still functionable.\\\


        Edit:
        Ordered
        Q9300; early adopter = $312
        P180 Mini; Early Adopter $165
        Asus G33 mATX: $130
        4GB DDR2 1066 Geil Ram (Love Geil) $150

        Im going to keep to onboard video till the 9800's are released. :)
        Last edited by Black_V!per; 03-13-2008, 09:34 PM. Reason: Update
        Oyee

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        • #5
          Re: To Build or not to Build.

          Just a quick word of the Q9300, the Cache is 6MB I believe, which is the main reason I wasn't keen on getting it, and am planning on the Q9450 instead.

          I don't think I'll end up getting a 9 series card, and will probably just go for an 8800GTX: 9800 GTX - More like a 8900GTS & 9800GX2 - Not gonna spend that much...just...no. A couple of GTX's in SLI would perform better and cost less. However, like Bamboo said, if you have the money, go for it.
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          • #6
            Re: To Build or not to Build.

            Where did you order from. For instance, newegg has that motherboard for $109
            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131187

            Everything else you listed cheaper too.

            And there was a thing I saw today that said the 9800GTX will be selling in the low $400 range. Might be more inclinded to get one if they don't go $550 like with the 8800

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            • #7
              Re: To Build or not to Build.

              Originally posted by Bamboo View Post
              Where did you order from. For instance, newegg has that motherboard for $109
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131187

              Everything else you listed cheaper too.

              And there was a thing I saw today that said the 9800GTX will be selling in the low $400 range. Might be more inclinded to get one if they don't go $550 like with the 8800
              Changed Ram at last second:
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131237
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148183
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835100007
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835154001
              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129041
              $616.12 + $312.42 = ~$933 + ~$500 for GFX when its out.

              Meh
              Oyee

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              • #8
                Re: To Build or not to Build.

                I wouldn't even consider a SSD right now. Just like everything esle they will be have price next year, and a lot faster. OCZ just announced some new ones and the 32 gig is like $700. The WD RaptorX 150gig will give you pretty much the same performance.
                The ones next year are supposed to finally be much faster than a normal disk HD too.

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                • #9
                  Re: To Build or not to Build.

                  Originally posted by Bamboo View Post
                  I wouldn't even consider a SSD right now. Just like everything esle they will be have price next year, and a lot faster. OCZ just announced some new ones and the 32 gig is like $700. The WD RaptorX 150gig will give you pretty much the same performance.
                  The ones next year are supposed to finally be much faster than a normal disk HD too.
                  Yea, I read up on them... I'll hold off.

                  What I am going to look into doing is building my own SSD with compact flash; a CF to SATA interface should be quick enough for just an os on a 8GB 266x. I'll be able to safe guard my PC with a front loading OS drive that i can remove so no one will be able to get into my PC.

                  :)
                  Oyee

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                  • #10
                    Re: To Build or not to Build.

                    Might be easier to go with something like this:

                    http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2480
                    http://techreport.com/articles.x/9312

                    EDIT:
                    Nevermind. IT allows a max of 4 gigs of memory.

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                    • #11
                      Re: To Build or not to Build.

                      Is this like what you are thinking of doing?

                      Building your own Solid State Drive (guide)

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                      • #12
                        Re: To Build or not to Build.

                        Originally posted by Bamboo View Post
                        Is this like what you are thinking of doing?

                        Building your own Solid State Drive (guide)
                        Yes, only running on SATA instead of IDE.

                        I work in IT, so basically i'll be testing the "Security" functionality of being able to remove the OS from the computer and/or have special encryption software for the data drive installed on that CF card.

                        Laughing and joking about this idea my boss realized how valuable this could actually be... Plus boot times would be much faster.
                        Oyee

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                        • #13
                          Re: To Build or not to Build.

                          From this article sounds like good news will soon be coming for the SSD lovers

                          SSDs in 2008: fast speeds (200MB/sec) over price cuts

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