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    Hi guys,

    I am trying to make a best choice between 2 configurations, the PC must be able to play games on medium-high graphics on 1920x1200 resolution.

    Here's some based info:
    E8500 6 MB L2 3.16 GHz 1333 MHz 45 nm
    Q9550 12MB L2 2.83 GHz 1333 MHz 45 nm

    All general factors are going to be same: Motherboard, 4GB RAM, 500GB hardisk.

    The 2 choices are either:
    E8500 + 260 GTX 896MB OR Q9550 + 9800GT 1GB

    What would be the best configuration?

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    Re: Best Configuration: Your Advice

    welcome to tactical gamer!

    i dont think right now, dual vs quad core will make much of a difference in framerates (maybe 3fps in certain conditions in certain games), and a 3.16 dual core wont be a bottleneck for a long time. i would go with the e8500 and a 260, but i dont recommend the 260 at all because faster ATI cards are cheaper... for a better bang, you can get a 4870 1gb for about 275. ya its 50 more dollars, but it is going to perform like a 280 at high resolutions. and will obliterate your choice of a 260. ya i know what your thinkin... ati ew, but as the next few people will say when they post... probably bamboo next...... ati 4870 is your best bet at high resolution, and that 1gb version will definitly shine at that res

    i never had graphic card driver problems until i switched from ati to nvidia
    Last edited by Tonk; 10-30-2008, 03:11 PM.
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    • #3
      Re: Best Configuration: Your Advice

      Tonk pretty much nailed it.

      As resolution and image quality go up the CPU becomes less important, though a slow CPU can bottleneck a video card. However it is better to bottleneck the video card then have a great CPU and a mediocre video card. The video card is what drives games currently and a mediocre CPU will serve you fine.

      That doesn't mean you should find a good deal on a Pentium III but a mid to upper level dual core or a mid level quad will be a solid choice.

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        Re: Best Configuration: Your Advice

        Originally posted by Long Bow View Post
        Tonk pretty much nailed it.

        As resolution and image quality go up the CPU becomes less important, though a slow CPU can bottleneck a video card. However it is better to bottleneck the video card then have a great CPU and a mediocre video card. The video card is what drives games currently and a mediocre CPU will serve you fine.

        That doesn't mean you should find a good deal on a Pentium III but a mid to upper level dual core or a mid level quad will be a solid choice.

        It'll be another year at the very least, before games start being released that are optimized for more than two cores. Only now are some games being release that have dual core optimizations.

        Your best bet for the next year or two, is go with the dual core, and for the price of that 260... get a 1GB HD4870. The 4870 is still your current best bang for the buck.

        Last, but not least (and to partially answer Tonk's comment on CPU bottle-necking the video card traffic), the latest and greatest cards are only now coming close to the max bandwidth of PCI-e x16 1.1, which cannot soak any dual-core system really. It's still miles away from grinding the 2.0 standard.
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          if you clocked a c2d conroe down to like.... 1.1 ghz, it *might* be close to being a bottleneck, could still do about as much as a 2.6 pentium 4, just to put in perspective how much a processor doesnt matter ( for FPS gains)
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            Re: Best Configuration: Your Advice

            Originally posted by Tonk View Post
            if you clocked a c2d conroe down to like.... 1.1 ghz, it *might* be close to being a bottleneck, could still do about as much as a 2.6 pentium 4, just to put in perspective how much a processor doesnt matter ( for FPS gains)
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            • #7
              Re: Best Configuration: Your Advice

              If you're building now, go with the E8500 and the GTX260.

              The quad-core doesn't offer a significant improvement in most games over a dual-core. Unless you're planning to do a lot more than gaming on your machine (like game development), then go with the dual-core and the GTX graphics card.

              Tonk nails it again. :)

              Oh and take a look at the ATI HD4870 instead of the GTX260. nV drivers are too unstable right now to put much faith in.
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              • #8
                Re: Best Configuration: Your Advice

                Al right, thanks everybody for your advice.

                Here's what I've came up with:
                MSI P45 Neo-F
                Intel Core 2 Duo E8500
                A-Data Dual Extreme Edition 2x2GB
                Seagate Barracuda 500GB 32MB 7200
                Sapphire Radeon 4870 1GB
                Chieftec power supply 550W
                RaidMax Ninja Case
                SAMSUNG SH-S223Q 22X DVD +/-RW LIGHTSCRIBE S-ATA OEM BLACK

                I'll use Windows XP Pro 32bit or Windows Vista Home Premium 32bit.

                What do you guys think about my configuration? Anything to change?

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                • #9
                  Re: Best Configuration: Your Advice

                  looks like a nice setup, do you have access to 64 bit vista? current gen graphic cards eat a gig of your possible 4gb memory, so you only have about 3.8gb available, shouldnt be a problem, but you paid for 4gb, might as well get what you paid for. i cant be for certain but anyone know what the current cards eat for power? i know they are all about the same, 550 watt is the low end of the spectrum these days

                  i know the 4870x2 draws about 250 itself, the 280 is 240watt, the 260 is 200, but i think the 4870 is 180watt, i read that somewhere, i have to run so i cant research it right now, but your power supply might need to be upgraded, faster processor, and a badass gfx card might overpower that one...

                  can i get a second opinion on those two topics?
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                  • #10
                    Re: Best Configuration: Your Advice

                    Power supply upgraded - 650 W

                    I have a Windows XP Pro and Vista Home Premium, both on 32bit's, so I'll use either one of those.

                    3Gb is enough for me for my gaming needs. I just want to be able to play on med-high graphics on 1920x1200 resolution.

                    I also though of the 9800GX2 since the prices are similar, what do you think is better, 9800GX2 1GB or 4870 1GB on 1920x1200 res?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Best Configuration: Your Advice

                      Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post

                      Oh and take a look at the ATI HD4870 instead of the GTX260. nV drivers are too unstable right now to put much faith in.
                      Really? I always found that ATi drivers were really unstable, and performance lacked in newer games without hot fixes.

                      If you can, get a GTX 260 Core 216, or whatever the individual companies call them. It's the same as the GTX 260, but instead of 192 stream processors, there's 216.

                      Performs slightly better, if not on par with the HD4870.
                      But, really, get what's cheaper, as they're all in the same performance range.
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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by Dictate View Post
                        Really? I always found that ATi drivers were really unstable, and performance lacked in newer games without hot fixes.

                        If you can, get a GTX 260 Core 216, or whatever the individual companies call them. It's the same as the GTX 260, but instead of 192 stream processors, there's 216.

                        Performs slightly better, if not on par with the HD4870.
                        But, really, get what's cheaper, as they're all in the same performance range.
                        Cheers,
                        Al right, thanks. So my three choices are either: 4870 1GB, 260 GTX 896MB or 9800GX2 1GB. I have no idea, which would run best at 1920x1200 res, what do you guys think? Ok, 4870 has 10.1DX and GDDR5, but 9800GX2 1GB is a kick-ass graphics card and 260 GTX is a sweet card aswell. So whats best for 1920x1200?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Best Configuration: Your Advice

                          stay with the 4870 1GB

                          260GTX is nice but not enough umph

                          the 9800GX2 is older and I wouldn't worry about it unless you can find it really cheap.
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                          • #14
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                            The quad core can help IF you game on 2 cores and need to do something else compute-intensive. Like if you're working while you game and need to have something running in the background while you take a break to game.
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                            • #15
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                              I don't think Chieftec is that good of a brand of power supply. If you look up in the sticky section of this forum there is a whole thread about power supplies. You really do get what you pay for with power supplies.

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