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  • Questions on a New PC

    I'm thinking of getting/building a Gaming PC.

    I'm not sure whether or not to get a refurbished PC, buy a new system altogether, or just build it. I'm on a really tight budget. What do you guys recommended is the best? I have a local refurbished in mind at about $600, running Intel Core 2 Quad w/ Vista.

    I really need to get as much out of the PC as possible.

    Thanks.
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    Re: Questions on a New PC

    Is $600 your absolute max limit?

    Do you know what the specs of that $600 refurb machine is (beyond the CPU)?

    What games do you want to play and will play on the new rig? How long do you plan on keeping it before getting a new system or upgrading?
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    • #3
      Re: Questions on a New PC

      that refurb probably has a q6600 and a 8400 256mb with 1 or 2gb ram, a cheap mobo psu and case... you can build a computer with cheap everything and a decent quad for less yet but it will probably not be good at gaming at all...

      if you are on a tight budget, intel is not the way to go because you get bottom shelf celeron, which are mostly top shelf cpu that dont make the quality cut... where with AMD you can get a year old generation cpu, that has been die shrunk to run cooler and OC better... for under a hundo






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      the above system i have built for a friend, and am going to build for another classmate once the parts come (he will get most for christmas) it does not have an OS, because both systems are for classmates who, like me, get <insert OS HERE> free through school. the total right now is 658 something... without an os but it is a very decent computer for a budget... you can save fifty bucks by not getting that case, but the 3 i have built using that case, everyone likes it you can save another 60 bucks if you get the ati 4830, which is a pretty good bang for the buck
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      • #4
        Re: Questions on a New PC

        What parts are you reusing?
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        • #5
          Re: Questions on a New PC

          Here are the Stats:

          Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
          Intel® Core(tm) 2 Quad Processor Q6600
          3GB DDR2-667 RAM (Not Expandable)
          500GB 7,200RPM Serial ATA Hard Drive
          NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS Video Chipset
          High Definition Audio Chipset
          LightScribe SuperMulti DVD Burner
          HP Multimedia Keyboard, HP Optical Mouse

          Total: $629.

          To answer the question, this is very close to the limit on my budget.
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          • #6
            Re: Questions on a New PC

            you wont be able to play games with an 8400GS

            He is a nice guide, and I stress guide, to help look at parts with $600 I'd spend a bit more on the GPU and get a HD4850.

            you could take the guts of the econobox and mix in some bits from the utility player
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            • #7
              Re: Questions on a New PC

              A budget of $600, as noted above, would require building an AMD system. Which isn't all that bad, really.

              I built my gaming rig for roughly that price, and it runs RAID with an HD4870 1GB card. Just avoid the Phenoms, they aren't really that much better performers than the X2 line. Wait on the Phenom II.

              It's possible to build an AMD PC that can perform as well as a number of Intel systems (until you get into the higher end, and above the entry-level Core2Quad), if not better.
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              • #8
                Re: Questions on a New PC

                Originally posted by Spulat View Post
                A budget of $600, as noted above, would require building an AMD system.
                Not true. You can pack in a pretty nice Core 2 Duo at that price and still pack in some decent graphics card.

                I'd suggest a C2D E7200, 2 GB of RAM, a HD4850/9800GT, and Vista Home Premium.

                It would let you game well for another 2-3 years.
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                • #9
                  Re: Questions on a New PC

                  Depending on what parts you are reusing you may be able to save quite a bit and make that budget go farther. New harddrive? New PSU? New case? Optical drives?

                  I suggest you reuse all of those if possible.

                  Or is this old computer going on to a new purpose, meaning you must purchase an entire new system? Including monitor?

                  It is hard to give detailed suggestions without this sort of info.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Questions on a New PC

                    Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
                    Not true. You can pack in a pretty nice Core 2 Duo at that price and still pack in some decent graphics card.

                    I'd suggest a C2D E7200, 2 GB of RAM, a HD4850/9800GT, and Vista Home Premium.

                    It would let you game well for another 2-3 years.
                    Maybe, but if you want an added sound card or any other goodies, you'll have run out of budget.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Questions on a New PC

                      Originally posted by Spulat View Post
                      Maybe, but if you want an added sound card or any other goodies, you'll have run out of budget.
                      He could always live with onboard sound, it's not bad.

                      Like Namebot has said already, he can afford some better parts by reusing some of his old components.

                      Of course if he's starting from scratch, he's going to have to skim on some components.
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                      TG World of Tanks Clan Executive Officer
                      Former 9th & 13th

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                      SSDs I Own: Kingston HyperX 3K (240 GB), Samsung 840 Pro (256 GB), Samsung 840 EVO (250 GB), Samsung 840 x 2 (120 GB), Plextor M5S (120 GB), OCZ Vertex (30 GB)

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                      • #12
                        Re: Questions on a New PC

                        Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
                        He could always live with onboard sound, it's not bad.

                        Like Namebot has said already, he can afford some better parts by reusing some of his old components.

                        Of course if he's starting from scratch, he's going to have to skim on some components.
                        So long as he's using the digital connections, or the analog outputs are well modulated.

                        Most analog outputs with onboard sound, have low-level interference noise. I can always hear it.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Questions on a New PC

                          Originally posted by Spulat View Post
                          So long as he's using the digital connections, or the analog outputs are well modulated.

                          Most analog outputs with onboard sound, have low-level interference noise. I can always hear it.
                          I'm using analog 5.1 speakers and headphones. It could be that I'm used to less expensive hardware, but I haven't noticed any interference noise while listening to music, audiobooks, or even gaming sounds.

                          As for digital connections, I don't have a thing in the house (apart from my dad's most recent receiver) that can take a digital SPDIF connection (or even fiber optic digital cables).
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                          Former 9th & 13th

                          Pronounciation: Eh-Cree-Oh Ah-Nay-Ess
                          Still can't say it? Call me Acorn then. -.-





                          SSDs I Own: Kingston HyperX 3K (240 GB), Samsung 840 Pro (256 GB), Samsung 840 EVO (250 GB), Samsung 840 x 2 (120 GB), Plextor M5S (120 GB), OCZ Vertex (30 GB)

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                          • #14
                            Re: Questions on a New PC

                            http://com.puter.tv/ctv/ try getting more help there

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                            • #15
                              Re: Questions on a New PC

                              Originally posted by Spulat View Post
                              So long as he's using the digital connections, or the analog outputs are well modulated.

                              Most analog outputs with onboard sound, have low-level interference noise. I can always hear it.
                              For $600 he can live with a bit of low-level noise. Or if his hearing is bad as mine he will never hear it.

                              Hear is how I save money on my cheap systems.

                              First realize why you are buying the machine. To be able to play new games at a decent quality. It isn't to impress your friends or the uber geeks on the boards. It isn't to get 100 fps because 30-40 will do just fine.

                              So first I find a really cheap case. I go to garage sales and local computer shops to look for ugly beige cases for 5 bucks. (Local computer stores are bad places to find most used parts because they are overpriced but for some reason they sell used ugly cases really cheap.) Also hit the second hand and consignment stores. You can find older computers with good spare parts as well very cheap.

                              If I am lucky that ugly case came with an old dvd player so I use it. If I am really lucky the power supply will also suffice. This is rare but has happened a couple of times.

                              Next I start asking my friends what used parts they have that they want to get rid of cheaply. If you are like me and have geeky single friends you can find some good stuff.

                              Memory is a good one. Even "slow" memory doesn't actually affect game performance that much. Maybe they have one of those "old" hard drives that only have a 150-200 gig capacity. This is fine for a cheap box.

                              Then I do a lot of research on the motherboards. I find the best one that can use the parts I have collected that also costs the least. I will give up fireware, onboard wifi etc. Just get the minimum.

                              The reason for all this work is to save money for the graphics card and cpu.

                              The CPU I get the last generation. I have never been disappointed by this decision and I make a living using the computer (I develop software). Using a computer 10-14 hours a day doing very cpu intensive things has convinced me that software almost never takes advantage of current CPU capabilities and there is almost never a cpu bottle neck going this route. Something else will effect you first.

                              For six hundred dollars if you are frugal like I am you can have 250-300 dollars easily left over for the graphics card. And personally I think that is the most crucial part of a computer for games.
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