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    It totally sucks that you need 3 million different programs to block against spy\ad ware.

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    Re: Spyware!

    Actually, just Spybot - S&D alone works nice, but some people want extra blocking power. In any case its 3 programs, not 3 million. And all are automatic except when you scan your computer for installed spyware.

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    • #3
      Re: Spyware!

      Actually I ran Spybot and then adaware. Spybot missed a lot of stuff that adaware picked up.

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      • #4
        Re: Spyware!

        Spybot will pick up programs Ad-Aware misses.
        Ad-Aware will pick up programs Spybot misses.

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        • #5
          Re: Spyware!

          Originally posted by TheFeniX
          Spybot will pick up programs Ad-Aware misses.
          Ad-Aware will pick up programs Spybot misses.
          Yeah, but what picks up the spyware that they both miss? Bottom line is that there's no such thing as absolute protection. I think I agree with Fenix, that using Spybot and AdAware is about as good as you can get to find and remove spyware.
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          • #6
            Re: Spyware!

            I think the real key is just to know the consequences of pornographic websites :P. Or, use the other two programs wich update frequently to block Spyware altogether. Using a web browser that isn't a totaly piece of garbage helps, too. (ie: IE)

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            • #7
              Re: Spyware!

              Originally posted by HairyNevus
              I think the real key is just to know the consequences of pornographic websites :P. Or, use the other two programs wich update frequently to block Spyware altogether.
              The only true cure for spyware is smart browsing. I've seen virii loaded and given enough time to disable the running Anti-virus and trash a PC even with the latest definitions. It's not Norton's or McAffee's fault 99% of their users are brain-dead.

              Using a web browser that isn't a totaly piece of garbage helps, too. (ie: IE)
              That comment might mean something if it wasn't so blatantly wrong.

              You're basically saying it's MS's fault for not making their browser as idiot proof as Mozilla (or another browser). Which is funny in it's own right, because it takes an educated user to know to load another browser with "better" features than IE. Not to mention that many spyware programs still require a user to click "YES" in some form or another or visit "hackmebecauseimdumb.com" in order to load effectively.

              Let me put it this way: why would someone code an exploit for another browser when 90+% of surfers use IE and you know most of them know next to nothing about security? Easy: you don't. This is in the same boat as "loler lunix roxors. M$ sucks." It's pointless, no one bothers exploiting Linux because no one uses it, and those who do already have a good knowledge of PCs and security. It's not worth attacking them.

              Of course, as I post this using IE 6, I laugh at my last ad-aware scan that picked up nothing but some tracking cookies. But I must be dumb to use IE because I'm secretely being hacked by 10,000 Linux junkies who will show me the errors of my ways.

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              • #8
                Re: Spyware!

                some nasty **** happend to me yesterday....

                i was installing a new pc for my mum and dad, and i was trying to find a program called "tweakxp"...so i googled it, and downloaded the first link that seemed valid.

                5minutes later and my fresh install of XP has 374 spyware programs/toolbars/"tweakers" on it......wooooohoooooooo

                sigh.......
                From Adam Webb

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                • #9
                  Re: Spyware!

                  The primary reason Spybot will "miss" some things that Ad-Aware (or others) will "find" is because they all have differing opinions on what constitues a "threat" to your system. Many times, one program will say "Hey look, we found 500 things your other program didn't!" Then after digging, you find it found 500 "suspect" cookies that your other program doesn't care about.

                  I say big deal. Cookies are text files. It may be a *privacy* issue, but it's probably not an issue affecting my system's performance or behavior.

                  Not that it's a bad idea to have two solutions for spyware. Just stick with the well-known ones. Spybot S&D, Ad-Aware, Giant, PestPatrol (although it seems to have a lot of false positives), XClean/XBlock, etc. If you have a problem, visit some security forums and get help.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Spyware!

                    Originally posted by HairyNevus
                    Ad-Aware

                    Ad-Aware is another scanning program used to take out spyware. It will scan your entire computer, looking for spyware. It takes awhile longer but picks up on things Spybot misses. Always be sure to check over what these spyware checkers are about to delete. Again, you don't need all these programs, it depends on the level of protection you prefer.

                    If a moderator wants to crop this into the first post it'd be fine. Thanks, Cing.

                    Just thought I'd add to this by saying that I am a computer tech and work on computers for small businesses and some home users on a daily basis, and this is one of my BEST and FAVORITE tools. I have tried almost all other suggested tools above, but none have performed as thoroughly or as stable as AdAware! I have had many systems where the user had Spybot installed, and had scanned regularly, but still had problems. I myself made sure it was updated and scanned, finding a few more than it had previously, but still had problems. I uninstalled Spybot and installed AdAware, and it removed a LOT more items, rebooted the computer and it ran perfectly fine!



                    With that said, the only problem I have had with AdAware is that it works TOO good. When it removes programs such as ShopAtHomeNetwork or New.Net Domains it removes the program without removing it's dll hook. There is a very good program called WinsockXPFix.exe or lspfix.zip (each fix different problems, both related to this) that fixes these errors if you encounter them. A quick search on Google will take you to a respective download site for each file, but here are the links to each of them as well.

                    http://www.cexx.org/lspfix.htm

                    http://www.spychecker.com/program/winsockxpfix.html

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                    • #11
                      Re: Spyware!

                      Originally posted by ImJustMito
                      With that said, the only problem I have had with AdAware is that it works TOO good. When it removes programs such as ShopAtHomeNetwork or New.Net Domains it removes the program without removing it's dll hook.
                      What does this mean and why is it bad?

                      As a gamer it seems strange to me to install loads of programmes that are going to run in the background to stop possible spyware which may hinder performance. You know that active checkers are going to hinder performance. I always have anti-virus and anti-spyware programmes installed but simply run the scan every now and then rather than letting them be scanning constantly. Less secure but better for actually using your computer.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Spyware!

                        Originally posted by Wintermute
                        As a gamer it seems strange to me to install loads of programmes that are going to run in the background to stop possible spyware which may hinder performance. You know that active checkers are going to hinder performance. I always have anti-virus and anti-spyware programmes installed but simply run the scan every now and then rather than letting them be scanning constantly. Less secure but better for actually using your computer.
                        If you've got a gaming rig and you're worried about the amount of resources that AV, Spyware and software firewall may use, then you've got other problems... They would use such a measly percentage of resources that they should be almost imperceptible.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Spyware!

                          The amount of resources used will vary wildly between different antivirus/antispyware products, thus the amount of perception will vary wildly. Some products have a much larger memory footprint, larger CPU utilization, etc. I run realtime AV simply because the program I've got is very kind to resources and impact to my normal usage is negligible. That said, I turn it off before I play DOOM 3 because the game is NOT kind to system resources and there is a perceptible performance difference.

                          Granted, I am running what may be considered middle to low end for the game (XP 2000+ CPU, ATI 9800 Pro). When I moved from 512MB to 1GB of RAM, that helped a bit too.

                          Plus, I don't use a software firewall, and haven't for about 2 years. I'm letting my NAT router do most of the protecting, and I rarely "surf" the web. Almost nobody knows my email address, and since I see it all day at work I pretty much know the suspicious behavior/messages to watch for. I'm not invincible, but I figure until someone can infect a remote machine behind a router while playing Natural Selection (about all I do online), then I'm relatively safe. :)

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                          • #14
                            Re: Spyware!

                            Originally posted by Rampage
                            Plus, I don't use a software firewall, and haven't for about 2 years. I'm letting my NAT router do most of the protecting, and I rarely "surf" the web.
                            A stand alone NAT "firewall" without an actual packet inspection firewall is worse than no firewall at all because the former creates the illusion of security when in fact there is none.

                            Stand-alone NAT "firewall" = bad. It will stop most flood or port scanning script kiddies, but anyone who cares to take five minutes out of his day to attack you is going to get in with no problems.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Spyware!

                              Originally posted by TheFeniX
                              A stand alone NAT "firewall" without an actual packet inspection firewall is worse than no firewall at all because the former creates the illusion of security when in fact there is none.

                              Stand-alone NAT "firewall" = bad. It will stop most flood or port scanning script kiddies, but anyone who cares to take five minutes out of his day to attack you is going to get in with no problems.
                              i found that out the hard way..........
                              From Adam Webb

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