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  • Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

    http://gizmodo.com/5453436/googles-h...ont-need-flash
    http://www.youtube.com/testtube
    http://www.youtube.com/html5

    This is an opt-in experiment for HTML5 support on YouTube. If you are using a supported browser, you can choose to use the HTML5 player instead of the Flash player for most videos. Your comments will help us improve and perfect the mixtures we're working on. So jump in, play around, and send your feedback directly to the brains behind the scenes.


    Supported Browsers

    Right now we support browsers that support both the <video> tag in HTML5 and the h.264 video codec. These include:
    • Google Chrome
    • Apple Safari (version 4+)
    • Microsoft Internet Explorer with Chrome Frame installed (Get Chrome Frame)
    Alas, Firefox isn't supported:

    https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Usi...deo_in_Firefox

    FF 3.5 supports the new <video> tag, but it doesn't support the patent-encumbered h.264 codec. Instead, it supports Ogg Theora, Ogg Vorbis, and WAV format media.

    Here's an article on the codec war:

    http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/2009/05/t...gs-fatal-flaw/

    Here's a good article on the nuts and bolts of video formats and the advantages and disadvantages of each:

    http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html

    Be sure to skip down to the section titled "Licensing Issues with H.264 Video", where the prices for making your own videos are listed.
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    Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

    So the new Firefox 3.6 due out any day now will or won't support this?
    Read through the comments and can't get a clear answer.

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    • #3
      Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

      It sounds like you need to add a 3rd party codec to use it with FF, because Mozilla as a non-profit can't afford to use a patented and expensive codec. That last link above had a howto for adding a codec to various browsers.
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      • #4
        Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

        More on the codec debate:

        http://arstechnica.com/open-source/n...dec-debate.ars
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        • #5
          Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

          Mozilla explains why they're not going to fall back on platform codecs (like DirectShow):

          http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/a...tshow_and.html
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          • #6
            Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

            Why is the HTML5 standard calling for the use of h.264? I thought the whole point of coming up with a Flash alternative was to move towards a open-source solution instead of yet another DRM/patent-encumbered format?

            Man, I need to get back on top of the new changes in HTML5 and XHTML 2. I pushed it aside 1.5 years ago as the war was just brewing up and nothing was even starting to get finalized.
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            • #7
              Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

              Note that something can be open source and still patent-encumbered. Such code can be looked at but not used without paying the license fee.

              Apple is part of the consortium that holds the patents on h.264. Google is already paying for the license, because it's already hosting such videos, so it doesn't hurt it to include the decoder in its browser.
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              • #8
                Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

                Okay, so I take it they're not trying to include h.264's codec as part of the HTML5's video standard? It's just there as a possibility to show off it's capable right?
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                • #9
                  Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

                  The standard does not mandate any particular codec. This was withdrawn to allow the rest of the standard to get done.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

                    Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
                    The standard does not mandate any particular codec. This was withdrawn to allow the rest of the standard to get done.
                    Ah. *sigh of relief*
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                    • #11
                      Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

                      Gizmodo just posted this giz explains article. Way to dash our hopes Giz :(

                      Giz Explains: Why HTML5 Isn't Going to Save the Internet




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                      • #12
                        Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

                        Compare these two videos to see how the codecs compare. I haven't yet looked at the Youtube one but the OGG one looks fine to me, and I'd be quite happy if all Youtube videos had that quality.

                        http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/y...omparison.html
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                        • #13
                          Re: Google/Youtube introduces Flash-free HTML5 videos

                          MPEG LA offers use of H.264 for 5 years royalty free. Mozilla isn't buying it.
                          http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02...codec_licence/

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