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  • First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

    As the title says I'm a first time builder and I've come to TG for a little help.

    I've been using a 7yr old P4 Alienware (pre-dell buyout) and with all the shiny new games out now its been rapidly showing its age as of late. Amazingly I just managed to run Borderlands. But anyway, I have about $2000 limit and from what little I know I've lined up some components for you all to take a look at. A few things that may or may not help for commenting; I do a decent amount of gaming. Both FPS and MMO's. I would like to keep this rig for at least 5yrs with only minor upgrades of the GPU's or HD's. And I am definitely interested in any noise reduction I can get because my wife is tired of the airplane like noise coming from my current rig.

    Case: 199.99 LIAN LI PC-A71F Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...20Li%20PC-A71F

    Mobo: 309.99 ASUS p6x58D Premium LGA Intel x58 sata 6gb/s USB 3 ATX Mobo
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131614

    CPU: 294.99 Intel i-7 930
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-225-_-Product

    Fan/cooling: 63.99 thermalright U120eXtrem1366RT R-C 120mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835109021
    (I was vaguely interested in liquid cooling mostly for the sound reduction. But I wouldn't be over clocking this unless its very late in the Rigs life and I wanted to squeeze more years from it. Any comments to help steer me towards or away would be great.)

    PSU: 109.99 Corsair 750w
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-006-_-Product
    (Now there was another fan with a combo deal: Thermaltake W0319RU 850W ATX 12V 2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail that took about $30 off. But I am not sure what any significant diff. would be other then the wattage.)

    GPU: 169.99 ASUS Radeon 5770
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-363-_-Product

    Ram: 209.99 Corsair XMS 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240pin dd3 sdram 1333 (PC3 10666)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145250

    HD x2: 89.99 x2 Western Digital AV-GP WD10EVDS 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136496
    (Should I be running these in Raid0 and if so are there any extra components that I would need? I was also considering adding a 60Gb SSD just for the OS. Would that produce any conflicts with the other drives if in Raid0 and would the performance increase really be worth it?)

    dvd: 23.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151175

    OS: 139.99 Win 7 Pro 64bit
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116758


    Well here it is. Thanks in advance guys.

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    Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

    Here's my question: why the HD5770 instead of some like a HD5850?

    You're already spending big bucks on a high-end CPU, high-end motherboard, and high-end everything else. Why create a bottleneck with a midrange graphics card?

    Additionally, I feel you can save a few hundred dollars going with a LGA 1156 mobo and a i7-860 from Micro Center. The 930 and the 860's performance difference isn't all that different (seeing how a 860 is basically a 920).

    As far as RAID 0 goes, you won't need anything else provided you have enough SATA cables. Win7 comes with a generic RAID support so you won't need any specialized drivers most of the time. However, if one of the HDDs die, you'll have to replace the hard drive with a identical model and storage size, and then reformat and reinstall everything.
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    • #3
      Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

      Thanks for replying Acreo.

      My goal wasn't to really buy high end everything but to just be a little more future proof without having to upgrade many many things down the line. But since I've never built a PC I wasn't really sure if the choices I was making here were really the best choices which is why I've brought the parts list here.

      I'm not committed to the i-7 930. I did see that the 860 was the same speed but I was not sure what the real differences were other then the 930 is the newer released chip. If the 860 is the same performance then I'll gladly save the 20$.

      In terms of the Mobo did you have any suggestions? I am nearly completely lost on this. I did see that the mobo i picked had the sata 6/gb (i'm aware not that helpful currently with HD available atm) and usb3.

      I picked the HD5770 bez it seemed like a pretty decent card without adding another 150$ to the price. My thinking was that when the 58xx's came down or were being phased out I could pick one up down the road. I tend to run games at medium instead the highest resolution. Am I assuming too much with this?

      Agian, thank you for replying. I'm looking to start buying up parts in another week and any comments are tons of help.

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        Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

        I'm not committed to the i-7 930. I did see that the 860 was the same speed but I was not sure what the real differences were other then the 930 is the newer released chip. If the 860 is the same performance then I'll gladly save the 20$.
        You can google the search term "i7-860 review". If I remember, Anandtech has a great review on it and it's so close to a i7-920, there's practically no real difference (except for the different socket). The 930 probably isn't all that much faster than either the 920 or the 860. I'd still suggest getting a i7 from Micro Center. Last I saw they had the i7-860 for $200 (savings of $60+ after taxes).

        In terms of the Mobo did you have any suggestions? I am nearly completely lost on this. I did see that the mobo i picked had the sata 6/gb (i'm aware not that helpful currently with HD available atm) and usb3.
        There's an unfortunate tradeoff with SATA600 and USB3.0. From what I've heard, you can't run both USB3 and SATA6 at the same time. On top of that, you won't notice any real difference in speed by going with a SATA600 port vs. a SATA300 port as none of the hard drives out there even come close to maxing out the bandwidth on even a SATA150 port.

        You'd be better off with a USB3.0 add-on card, IMO (if you choose a non-USB3 board). That is once you have devices that use the new speed/standard.

        I'll rattle off a few boards that I think are pretty good LGA 1566 boards. The first is one I'll be using on a future build for someone else:

        ASRock $110: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157185
        MSI $100: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130253
        Gigabyte (USB3) $120: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128425
        ASUS (CrossfireX ready) $120: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131604
        MSI (CrossfireX ready) $120: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130246

        I picked the HD5770 bez it seemed like a pretty decent card without adding another 150$ to the price. My thinking was that when the 58xx's came down or were being phased out I could pick one up down the road. I tend to run games at medium instead the highest resolution. Am I assuming too much with this?
        What resolution are you gaming at? If it's a higher resolution (say 1920 x 1080), then I'd highly suggest a HD5850 instead of a HD5770 even at medium settings.

        If I were you, with $2000, I'd wait until July before purchasing any major hardware (graphics, CPU, mobo, RAM) as that's when the new tech comes out and the older tech drops dramatically in price. Also, usually when the best prices on accessories and monitors happen to be for the rest of the year.

        Lastly, you could go with a better case than the aluminum Lian Li you picked (ex: Antec P182 - which Bamboo here owns and I have the older P180). The Lian Li is a great case from a group dedicated to great cases, but in the end it's aluminum so noise is going to be a factor especially if you plan on putting in some case fans.
        |TG-18th| Acreo Aeneas
        TG World of Tanks Clan Executive Officer
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        Pronounciation: Eh-Cree-Oh Ah-Nay-Ess
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        SSDs I Own: Kingston HyperX 3K (240 GB), Samsung 840 Pro (256 GB), Samsung 840 EVO (250 GB), Samsung 840 x 2 (120 GB), Plextor M5S (120 GB), OCZ Vertex (30 GB)

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        • #5
          Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

          Originally posted by Oracle77 View Post
          Thanks for replying Acreo.

          My goal wasn't to really buy high end everything but to just be a little more future proof without having to upgrade many many things down the line. But since I've never built a PC I wasn't really sure if the choices I was making here were really the best choices which is why I've brought the parts list here.

          I'm not committed to the i-7 930. I did see that the 860 was the same speed but I was not sure what the real differences were other then the 930 is the newer released chip. If the 860 is the same performance then I'll gladly save the 20$.
          I agree with Acreo here. You save on more than just the CPU and possibly a few bucks on the motherboard. The 860 uses dual channel RAM while the 930 uses triple channel. There is very little performance increase there for a lot more money spent on RAM.

          I picked the HD5770 bez it seemed like a pretty decent card without adding another 150$ to the price. My thinking was that when the 58xx's came down or were being phased out I could pick one up down the road. I tend to run games at medium instead the highest resolution. Am I assuming too much with this?
          I absolutely love my 5770 but if I had a budget of $2000 and was building a machine of the caliber that you're building, there is no way I'd buy one to put in it. I'd definitely go for a 5850 or 5870 if it was my build.

          Originally posted by AcreoAeneas
          Lastly, you could go with a better case than the aluminum Lian Li you picked (ex: Antec P182 - which Bamboo here owns and I have the older P180). The Lian Li is a great case from a group dedicated to great cases, but in the end it's aluminum so noise is going to be a factor especially if you plan on putting in some case fans.
          Here is where Acreo and I disagree. I don't think you can get a better case, especially for the price, than a Lian Li. I've owned and built in a number of different brands of cases in the past and I doubt I'll ever use another brand now that I have experience with a Lian Li. The build quality is amazing, the case is light (which is a big deal if you live in a dusty climate like I do and have to take it outside to blow it out once a month) and the layout is brilliant. The only plastic parts on my case are the power and reset buttons. It is awesome. Stick with the Lian Li!
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          • #6
            Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

            Originally posted by Buckets View Post
            Here is where Acreo and I disagree. I don't think you can get a better case, especially for the price, than a Lian Li. I've owned and built in a number of different brands of cases in the past and I doubt I'll ever use another brand now that I have experience with a Lian Li. The build quality is amazing, the case is light (which is a big deal if you live in a dusty climate like I do and have to take it outside to blow it out once a month) and the layout is brilliant. The only plastic parts on my case are the power and reset buttons. It is awesome. Stick with the Lian Li!
            Just wanted to add something. Whatever your choice, you could always add sound dampening foam to the inside of the case if you feel later on that the aluminum is bouncing too much fan noise about and making you irritable. Though the Antec P182 won't need the foam as it already has sound dampening material within the construction of the case.
            |TG-18th| Acreo Aeneas
            TG World of Tanks Clan Executive Officer
            Former 9th & 13th

            Pronounciation: Eh-Cree-Oh Ah-Nay-Ess
            Still can't say it? Call me Acorn then. -.-





            SSDs I Own: Kingston HyperX 3K (240 GB), Samsung 840 Pro (256 GB), Samsung 840 EVO (250 GB), Samsung 840 x 2 (120 GB), Plextor M5S (120 GB), OCZ Vertex (30 GB)

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            • #7
              Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

              I will say that the P182 is a nice case. I built a machine for my cousin in one and it was probably the second best case I built in besides the Lian Li I have. I am obviously partial to Lian Li, although quite frankly, my system is pretty darn quiet now that I'm running my 5770.
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              • #8
                Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

                Oh, and as far as the power supply goes, stick with the Corsair. Much, much better PSU.
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                • #9
                  Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

                  Mind If I ask which case you have Buckets? I was thinking that if i shaved off enough savings (which seems likely now as per both of your suggestions) I was considering a better case. Wasn't sure if this was over the top: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811139001

                  Thank you Acero for the mobo suggestions. My whole original parts list was pretty much taken from a Origins PC build which is why I had focused on the x58 chipsets. My concern is how long I can get out of this machine. I saw this board in a p55 was wondering what you both think: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-621-_-Product


                  I will go with a 5850. The prices for the 5870s just seem a little too steep. I usually game around 1280x1024.

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                  • #10
                    Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

                    I actually have a case they built for Best Buy to be sold under their Rocketfish brand that is based off of the A71-B. (A71-B: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811112144 My case: http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/pc...ase-black.aspx)

                    The case you're looking at is actually nicer than mine because it appears to have a divider between the area where the PSU sits and the rest of the computer. It also looks like the placement of fans is a little bit better. The case is huge but I love it.
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                    • #11
                      Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

                      With the LGA 1156 socket, you'll have probably another 3+ years to go before Intel comes out with a socket to replace it. And even then, you still have at least a year before they phase out LGA 1156. The LGA 1156 is just replacing the LGA 775 socket now (my current board is a LGA 775).

                      That mobo looks fine to me Oracle. It's a ASUS, so 'nuff said.
                      |TG-18th| Acreo Aeneas
                      TG World of Tanks Clan Executive Officer
                      Former 9th & 13th

                      Pronounciation: Eh-Cree-Oh Ah-Nay-Ess
                      Still can't say it? Call me Acorn then. -.-





                      SSDs I Own: Kingston HyperX 3K (240 GB), Samsung 840 Pro (256 GB), Samsung 840 EVO (250 GB), Samsung 840 x 2 (120 GB), Plextor M5S (120 GB), OCZ Vertex (30 GB)

                      TG Primer and Rules

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                      • #12
                        Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

                        Save some money and go with this case COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $159.98. I have this one and it keeps everything inside very cool & its super silent. Get this as well COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler $74.99. As far as the hard drives go, get you a nice SSD for your OS & then just get one HDD, no need for 2 1TB HDD's in RAID. Get the best Vid card you can now so you don't have to upgrade for awhile. Save some extra money and get Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $99.99, search the windows mega sticky here for a rebate code for this and it will save you some extra money.

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                        • #13
                          Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

                          Thank you guys so much for all the suggestions and advice. Its helped tremendously. Hoping this machine will last as long as my current one.

                          I think I will stick with the Lian Li case because I just love the clean, simple look of it and most of the reviews said its a nice case to work with. I didn't know you could add foam in later so if the sound is a problem I'll just take that route.

                          Machine, as I understood windows 7 (and admittedly i don't know a lot) Pro offered some added security benefits with better encryptions. But I originally picked it for the LGA 1366 MOBO so down the road I can max the Ram if needed. Thank you for bringing that back to my attention. I didn't even think about it after I decided to go back to the 1156.

                          Anyway here is the revised parts list now:

                          Case: 199.99 LIAN LI PC-A71F Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower
                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...20Li%20PC-A71F

                          Mobo: 189.99 ASUS ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX
                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-621-_-Product

                          CPU: 199.99 Intel i-7 860
                          http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0317378

                          Fan: 63.99 thermalright U120eXtrem1366RT R-C 120mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler
                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835109021

                          PSU: 109.99 Corsair 750w
                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-006-_-Product

                          GPU: 289.99 ASUS Radeon 5850
                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-884-_-Product

                          Ram: 167.99 CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145290

                          HD#1 for OS: Intel X25-M 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive
                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820167016

                          HD #2: 179.98 Western Digital AV-GP WD10EVDS 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136496

                          dvd: 23.99
                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151175

                          OS: 139.99 Win 7 Pro 64bit
                          http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116758


                          Puts me in the neighborhood of $1,695 before any tax and shipping.

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                          • #14
                            Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

                            As I type this newegg appears to give 3% bing cashback. Make sure you do this if its still good when you order. You would be looking at $50-60 coming back based on your proposed budget

                            For the SSD - the retail version is actually cheaper.

                            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820167023

                            For other HD(s) I would suggest a different model as the green line is probably slower than other options. Specifically I see the samsung F3 is going for the same price. If you want to stick with WD there is a blue drive for cheaper with a bonus of free shipping.

                            Your RAM is very expensive. Quality ram can be had for up to $50 less. I would be looking out for memory - motherboard combos as well.

                            For GPU it would still be good to hear what monitor you have to determine native res. Edit - actually I see you noted 1280x1024. You don't want to upgrade your monitor? With all this fancy new hardware you should. Side suggestion - Here is the same 5850 with MW2 for only $20 more if by chance you really want that game.

                            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-885-_-Product

                            Your PSU is great but you could drop the wattage 100-200 if you don't ever see yourself utilizing SLI.(just thinking of more ways to save money)
                            |TG-12th|mantis

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                            • #15
                              Re: First Time Build: A little Guidance Plz

                              Hey Mantis,

                              Thanks for the info. I did look into some other ram and like you thought i found another Corsair ram DDR3 @ 1600 for about 50$ less: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145260

                              I didn't read far into the reviews for the WD Green drive but I now see what you're saying about how slow the drive is. Thank you for pointing it out. I don't necessarily need a TB drive but I did want something reliable and quiet/low heat.

                              About my monitor. Its an old samsung syncmaster930b. Replacing it doesn't seem in the budget atm and will have to wait till christmas.

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