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    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...y-report-says/

    The Parents Television Council says:

    On January 17, the Viacom-owned cable network MTV aired a teenager-based drama, ‘Skins.’ The episode included all manner of foul language, illegal drug use, illegal activity as well as thoroughly pervasive sexual content,” PTC President Tim Winter said in a letter sent to the chairmen of the U.S. Senate and House Judiciary Committees and the Department of Justice. “Many of the actors appearing in the show are below the age of 18. It is clear that Viacom has knowingly produced material that may well be in violation of [several] federal statutes.
    The show's web site:

    http://www.mtv.com/shows/skins/series.jhtml
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    The PTC is an activist group who has a bug up it's ass about everything, literally. From Dexter to The Sopranos to Friends and The Simpsons, they have complained and condemned virtually every show as having gratuitous violence or sex. They generate over 95% of the indecency letters/calls to the FCC. By over 95% I mean of the over 240,000 complaints in say, 2004, over 235,000 were from the PTC. Before the PTC got a foothold, they would have about 110 complains a YEAR.

    Some things to mull over.

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      Originally posted by Bisclaveret View Post
      The PTC is an activist group who has a bug up it's ass about everything, literally. From Dexter to The Sopranos to Friends and The Simpsons, they have complained and condemned virtually every show as having gratuitous violence or sex. They generate over 95% of the indecency letters/calls to the FCC. By over 95% I mean of the over 240,000 complaints in say, 2004, over 235,000 were from the PTC. Before the PTC got a foothold, they would have about 110 complains a YEAR.

      Some things to mull over.
      Correct on all counts.

      I still would love to see Viacom fall though. With all the misery they inflict on others; I'd call this karma at work.
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        I bet there's some christian apologetic group behind that...

        Meh, how predictable, how boring, how cliché, how stupid...
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        • #5
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          I have a close friend who has fallen in love with the British version of Skins and now loves the US version of Skins, mainly because it is actually reaching the potential of the original. Underage sex? Holy crap it's almost as if they're borrowing from real life. As long as the actors aren't actually under the age of 18 I don't see it as a problem. Haven't porn companies done the same? Touting teen sex as if they're underage?

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            Originally posted by Sirusblk View Post
            I have a close friend who has fallen in love with the British version of Skins and now loves the US version of Skins, mainly because it is actually reaching the potential of the original. Underage sex? Holy crap it's almost as if they're borrowing from real life. As long as the actors aren't actually under the age of 18 I don't see it as a problem. Haven't porn companies done the same? Touting teen sex as if they're underage?
            Rape occurs in real life, but that doesn't mean a TV network is allowed to create "reality" programming in which real rape occurs. Crime is crime when performed in real life, on camera or off. I would hope that the people at Viacom (well, not really...) hired legal adults that just look like teens in which case there really isn't much of a legal issue, just an issue of taste.
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            • #7
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              From the article:

              The controversial British import series “Skins” made its debut on the cable network last Monday, causing uproar for its frank depiction of teenage sex and drug use. But unlike MTV’s envelope-pushing shows of the past, “Skins” features underage actors engaged in sexual situations. The youngest star of the show is 15.
              Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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                Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
                The Parents Television Council says:
                Ah, well, thar's yer problem. [deleted rant about the PTC, as Bisclaveret already covered it]

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                Also... Teens? Having sex?! ABSURD.

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                • #9
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                  MTV. Contributing to the idiocy of youth since... well, since it was founded.

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                  • #10
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                    Can I get clarification: Is it okay for underage actors to look like they're having sex but to not really? We're not talking naked humping, I'm talking a girl bends over giving the impression she is performing oral sex but really just moves her head out of camera bounds. Is this really how much we've reduced our society to?

                    I agree I find it in poor taste but really where is the line drawn between sexual innuendos and actual pornography. If the teen actors are clothed and not performing sex in reality isn't it not pornography or sex?

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                    • #11
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                      Consider the Copine scale, which was adopted by the UK Sentencing Advisory Panel, where levels 4-6 are recommended for the lowest levels of child porn sentencing. From the article, it sounds that show possibly reaches somewhere between 4 and 5, depending on whether we count a 15 year old a child.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copine_scale

                      Your mistake is in thinking that something counts as pornography only if it contains nudity or sex. That's just not true. There are all kinds of fetish pornography that contains neither nudity nor sex - and sometimes not even real people.

                      Your second mistake is in thinking that child pornography is just regular pornography which happens to contain underaged persons. That's a mistake too. They are two different classes of materials. While pornography is generally protected under the first amendment - except if it violates obscenity laws - child pornography isn't - whether or not it violates obscenity laws. Some of the major reasons for the difference is due to the government's having a compelling interest in protecting and safeguarding both the physical and psychological well being of minors.

                      If you're going to try to make a point with a rhetorical question, at least make it clear what that point is supposed to be. What have we really reduced our society to? Who knows what's in your mind regarding what you think we've really reduced society to.

                      We should probably not be okay with underage actors to appearing to be involved in sexual activity if there's reason to think that kind of performance hurts the psychological well being of the actor. It certainly could, and it would depend on the details of the situation. Can it be illegal as defined by current US child pornography laws? Yes, even if there is no actual sex, depending on the details.

                      Geez, you're just on a spate of really taking too simplistic of a approach to a lot of things in recent threads... Things are just not quite as simple and straightforward as it appears you think they are.


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                      It's also pretty absurd to respond to criticisms that a show might be endangering the psychological well being of some of its underage actors while having them perform or pretend to perform certain kinds of acts by claiming that typical people in the age range of those actors already are engaged in that kind of activity anyway, regardless of whether such activity actually endangers their psychological well being. That's just a terrible response that shouldn't convince anyone that the criticism is bad. Compare that to this response against the illegality of certain kinds of child porn: we should allow nonabusive teenage child porn because teenagers have sex anyway, so it's not endangering them in any additional way. That's a terrible argument.

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                      I don't actually have any problem with the show. And I don't think the PTC's criticism is apt here. But the responses by some of you guys are just BAD.

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                        Thanks for the clarification Sordavie. I wasn't aware of the Copine scale and I'll admit I'm not an expert on Child Pornography or what constitutes it by any means. Hence why I'm asking the question in the first place. The point of my rhetorical question is directly related to my previous statement so you can assume I am angered by the slippery slope that such arguments as raised by the PTC lean too heavily on censorship. With your ability to think critically I thought you would have been able to make that connection.

                        I've been following this story for quite some time. At first I've heard that all the actors are 18 or older, then I heard one was 17, now I've heard that one was 15. I really don't know what to believe in terms of who is how old. MTV says they're doing everything legally, if there's any validity to this claim then it's up for some investigation but at this time I'm going to assume that these actors are all of legal age. Therefor I don't see a problem with it.

                        I'm not saying it's okay for teens to replicate this on TV because it's typical in real life, in fact I don't think anyone here is, however a show that does show actors playing young kids doing illegal acts for their age does add a bit of realism. Take the movie Donnie Darko: hey a bunch of high schoolers smoking, they're not supposed to but it does happen in real life. Does that make some people uncomfortable? Good. A good story like a good joke won't appeal to everyone but the 'truths' it speaks sell it for the rest of us.

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                            Well that guy is stupid. His main argument appears to be that since the show isn't going make any underaged persons have sex, it's thus not harmful to them. So there's nothing wrong with the show. Now if the PTC were making that complaint, they would be stupid too. But that's not what's at issue in a debate regarding whether some of the stuff the show does constitutes child porn. He's presents a similar line of reasoning that some of you guys have here: underaged people have sex anyway, so the show doesn't portray anything that isn't already the case. What a red herring line of argument.

                            No serious argument has it that child porn is bad because it causes children to have sex. That's not the problem with child porn. Child porn is bad because it perversely exploits children and does possible damage to their physical or psychological well being. This is why simulated child porn - such as computer generated imagery or illustration - is not banned (unless it violates obscenity laws). There's no difference, in terms of whether they might cause other children to want to have sex, between a picture realistic illustration of children having sex and a picture of real children having sex, especially if you can't tell which one is the illustration and which one is the photo. But the law treats them differently. It has nothing to do with whether they might cause other children to want to have sex. It has to do with protecting actual children's well being.

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                              Originally posted by sordavie View Post
                              He's presents a similar line of reasoning that some of you guys have here: underaged people have sex anyway, so the show doesn't portray anything that isn't already the case. What a red herring line of argument.
                              Nobody in this thread, besides the guy in the video Vouk posted and the PTC itself, has pulled that argument.
                              Last edited by Sirusblk; 01-23-2011, 04:05 PM.

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