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  • Red State Socialism

    interesting:


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    Is that truly socialism, or merely crappy state budgets?

    I'd like to see 2011 statistics.

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      Originally posted by KoopaTroopa View Post
      Is that truly socialism, or merely crappy state budgets?

      I'd like to see 2011 statistics.
      Well, in the case of Minnesota, we have an absurd subset of super neoconservative ****wads that always get reelected, such as Michelle Bachmann and, for the time he remained, Tim Pawlenty. The state consistently gets taken up the rear by the Fed and it'll never change. Work in the elderly nursing care industry and you'll learn to absolutely revile republican-aligned states for their wastefulness (a quick&dirty, doesn't-take-all-the-factors summary: nursing homes in states like MN work to become more efficient and need less money...therefore, they get less money...which is then transferred straight over to say, a TX wasteland nursing home).

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        Originally posted by KoopaTroopa View Post
        Is that truly socialism, or merely crappy state budgets?

        I'd like to see 2011 statistics.
        I don't think anyone is suggesting that's truly socialism. Socialism is a principled political and economic system. This is presumably neither principled nor systematic. The point, I take it here, is to show - accurately or not - how hypocritical the republican stance is. One of the criticisms conservatives is often gesture at is that "socialist" policies are wasteful and cost inefficient. If the criticism is accurate, we should expect republican dominated states to have less wasteful and cost inefficient budgets. The point of the chart is then to show that we get the opposite of what we expected under the assumption the conservative criticism is correct. The upshot is supposed to be that the very criticism conservatives paint their opponents with, in this case, is one that's applicable to their own policies.

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        • #5
          Re: Red State Socialism

          Here is my question.

          For a party that is defining itself as being fiscally conservative they are generally NOT. So why should we believe them?

          I've been a short time (short as in my political awareness phase is only half a decade old) independent conservative. I'm thinking thats a going to change.

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          • #6
            Re: Red State Socialism

            It's also possible that the voters in those states observed 'socialist waste' around them and cast a reactionary 'R' vote. Note that this is just the results for the '04 [Bush/Kerry] presidential election.

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            • #7
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              States don't switch from blue to red and vice versa that often. It's not as if all those red states at the top were blue states a year prior, and then became red states as a reaction to something.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by sordavie View Post
                States don't switch from blue to red and vice versa that often. It's not as if all those red states at the top were blue states a year prior, and then became red states as a reaction to something.
                Yeah, that's true.. the reddest of the red's don't. But some do - and all it would take is 5-6 states swinging the other way for it to be a considerably less interesting picture.



                edit: The 'leeching' isn't a year-to-year swing either, right?

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                • #9
                  Re: Red State Socialism

                  The red/blue state status is from the '04 election but the budgets are from '05. So which the red/blue status even more an unlikely reaction to the budgets. Maybe if the voters could see in to the future, you might call it prereactionary? or Preactionary?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Red State Socialism

                    Originally posted by KoopaTroopa View Post
                    Is that truly socialism, or merely crappy state budgets?

                    I'd like to see 2011 statistics.
                    The redistribution of the wealth that people arguing against "socialist" policies is represented. That is essentially federal money gathered through taxes being distributed to the states in the form of grants. I too would like to see current statistics, but something tells me that they likely won't be very much different. From what I've heard, grant distribution doesn't change very much at the state level.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Red State Socialism

                      Years ago Newt Gingrich while Speaker of the House (Contract with America ‘94) boasted that Georgia got more then twice back that it paid in taxes. Looks as if that’s not true any more.
                      Last edited by Jakaleel; 05-31-2011, 02:31 PM. Reason: can't spell


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                      • #12
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                        I live in M.O. 17th on the take. They are stripping and redoing a 4 mile stretch of road I-44, that had no issues. At the moment they are tearing up the road I live on, I do not know why. The schools are in major need of money but all this state seems to care about is job security for the road workers. And the road system is poorly designed, putting up traffic lights, taking them down a couple weeks later, creating parking lots next to each other but placing a median so you must pull on to the main road for access. This whole state is stupid. In the 5 years I have been here they redesigned 1 intersection 4 times like they were just trying out ideas. I mean CMON! And those poor people in Joplin that just got wiped out from a tornado, well I don't expect much from the state to help them out. I don't find the word hate attractive but this state makes me vomit negativity, uh, ummm, BLAAAGH! Loathing!

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                        • #13
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                          Sounds to me like the old tried and true job creation plan of "digging a hole and filling it back"

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                          • #14
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                            Yep. Minnesota does it poorly as well with allowing the construction companies to take the contract for a job...then go elsewhere to work on something that's worth more money and leave a skeleton crew on the state project.
                            The Wakota Bridge took more than 10 years to complete. The I-35 bridge, because it was in the national media's spotlight? Less than a year. I love living here but my god...

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                            • #15
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                              Transparency and accountability -- not much will change in the management of collective assets and the common good until the lines of vested interest are fully exposed.
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