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  • How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

    I suppose a little background is in order. I'm 31. On 9/11 I remember DISTINCTLY that this president we had, who I had always just looked upon as a harmless dummy, basically good for a laugh now or then, but not much more. But after that happened, I just KNEW things would go bad. Heck, I remember talking to my boss and saying "Man, this guy is just going to go try and flex his nuts and just bomb whatever he can target", which he did. They started bombing Afghanistan on my 21st birthday.

    So from then on I was really engaged in politics, what our government was up to, all that stuff. And I noticed on thing over everything else, which was that the monetary policies of our government were not what I would consider to be in the interest of the people. Just more of the "Trickle down" economics that never really worked under Reagan, but in this case much worse because Bush and his people had the threat of war to use as a tool to get whatever they wanted.

    So for more than 10 years now, I've watched the American people in this kind of stupor, not knowing where all the hardships they're facing are coming from. One day it's from the mexicans hopping the border, the next day it's some vague and likely fake threat by jihadists.

    And what the Occupy movement has really impressed me with is the fact that they're pointing out how all of these economic policies our government has used have not only failed, but they were designed to fail. They were designed to funnel money up to the rich people who don't even need it at the expense of people who do.


    So what do you guys think?

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    I blame Clinton and his cronies.

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      Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

      I fully support them



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        Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

        Originally posted by HiTest View Post
        I blame Clinton and his cronies.

        I do too, perhaps for different reasons though.

        It was clinton who signed into law (a law passed through congress by the republicans) the laws that eliminated a lot of the regulations and restrictions on banks. Hell, completely eliminated any oversight of derivatives and other similar markets. So yeah, definitely blame him too.

        The thing is though, all that was bad enough. What made it MUCH, MUCH worse was the way in which the Bush Administration just kept going along, despite all the obvious problems that were arising. Greenspan kept lending rates extraordinarly low, which lead to a lot of the bubbles we've seen. And then when the S finally hit the fan, they just bailed out the banks. The same banks that screwed everything up in the first place, and since nothing has changed, will continue to screw things up well into the future.

        It's hard to feel any sort of contempt for the OWS people when that kind of blatant corruption is so in-your-face.

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          Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

          to be honest alot of this truly started with regean starting to lift regulations on corporations that were put in place after the great depression



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            Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

            Originally posted by Charles Darwin View Post
            to be honest alot of this truly started with regean starting to lift regulations on corporations that were put in place after the great depression
            He started that for sure, but that ball really got rolling under clinton. The massive financial deregulation he supervised, like the Commodities and Futures Modernization Act, etc.

            I think Reagan's real lasting legacy is the way that he started the now completely common concept of complaining about how taxes are too high, cutting them, but then not actually cutting much if any spending. Essentially telling the American people "Sure, you can have all the social services you want, and I won't even make you pay for it! We'll just stick it on the card!"

            That is one of the most evil things I can think of a government doing to it's people, economically speaking. Because it's the WORST form of taxation without representation. The kids that are being born now are the ones who are going to have to pay off that debt, while the people who financially benefitted from such loose economic policy are going to be long dead, and thanks to the end of the "Death tax" (AKA the Estate Tax) that money won't even go back to the people. It will just continue to exist in these families of people who didn't earn anything. Trust fund kids. The leeches of society. The people who don't work or do anything, but just live off the interest of their wealth.

            That's the Reagan legacy IMO.

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              Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

              It ultimately won't accomplish anything. There's no clear, defining sense behind the protests other than a nebulous sense of disatisfaction with... something or another. Banks? Capitalism? War? Rich people? All the above?

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                Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

                Originally posted by KoopaTroopa View Post
                It ultimately won't accomplish anything. There's no clear, defining sense behind the protests other than a nebulous sense of disatisfaction with... something or another. Banks? Capitalism? War? Rich people? All the above?
                I think it's pretty simple really, they're pissed off about corruption. They want an even playing field, and there isn't one right now. There are two classes in this country, one class that is extraordinarily wealthy and gets exactly what it wants whenever it wants, and then there's the rest of us who have to actually play by rules. And you can't do that when you have a system that is rigged in favor of the rich at the expense of the middle class and the poor. Hence the "99%" slogan.

                I could go into the details if you want, but that's the gist of it.

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                • #9
                  What I find the most interesting is how much the Occupy peeps have in common with groups like the Tea Party and some extremist groups on the fringes of American society.
                  The big question, now a statement: Who is in charge of this country since it does not seem to be us?
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                    Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

                    Originally posted by Sarcoma View Post
                    What I find the most interesting is how much the Occupy peeps have in common with groups like the Tea Party and some extremist groups on the fringes of American society.
                    The big question, now a statement: Who is in charge of this country since it does not seem to be us?
                    I think the first question is, which "Tea Party" are you talking about? The original one that sort of birthed itself around the time that Ron Paul was becoming popular, or the weird hijacked perversion of it that exists now?

                    I see your point though, they do have an awful lot in common. Everyone knows they're getting screwed somehow. The conservatives and glibertarians tend to go to the tea party side because it confirms their pre-existing thought process: that government is the problem. Liberals and democrats and other OWS people like OWS because it confirms their pre-existing thought process: that unchecked power in the hands of private companies is a horrible thing for a democracy.

                    That's one thing I just really can't understand about the Tea Party. Not that I don't understand it, or that I don't want to understand it, but I just cognitively can not understand their points. They complain about a public option for health care because the government will have "death panels". When that actually became a serious rallying cry my brain nearly ruptured purely because of the proximity to such intense cognitive dissonance. It's like nobody there has ever had an insurance claim rejected before. Insurance companies ARE death panels. They REGULARLY put profit above patient care.

                    That's just one example, but I just can't understand a movement that says "Hey, we live in a democracy and since we do, I want to end most forms of public redress and would rather put my fate in the hands of completely unaccountable, unelected private corporations that have no responsibility to anyone except their shareholders. Not their country, not their state, and certainly not me."

                    Somehow that's a selling point? See what I mean when I say that I just can't understand it?

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                      Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

                      I interrupt this good conversation with some humor:

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                        Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

                        Originally posted by Skud View Post
                        I interrupt this good conversation with some humor:

                        And I second that with a nice, hearty *FART!*

                        Because farts are ALWAYS funny!

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                          Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

                          I'm pretty angry at how far the corporations have been screwing us, the lengths at which our ineffectual congress (not any single president) have allowed and fostered the rights of the corporations over the people, and the protection given by the courts because they're willing to fight for those with money rather than the large population of people they've promised to protect. The truth is I'm likely not to graduate in my time even though I've got my act together, have decent grades, have had a stable job and play my respectful part in society. I'm paying more and more every day to receive less and less in service. Not just in school, but everywhere. In school I'm told about higher fees every semester raising tuition 250% in a 7 year span. I know it's not coming back to us since every semester there are less and less classes offered. More so, the higher ups at schools are getting paid more and more to do nothing except pad the staff size at the top, where they don't teach classes or interact with students. These are the same people who call in cops to fire upon people who attend school, pay tuition, and are there to receive a piece of paper that isn't even worth the paper it's printed on. I go to school not because I actually am learning anything but because I have to. Because it's required. This is the same attitude that extends to the rest of America. It's as if very slowly while no one was paying any attention we've become a police state and it's only taken now when people are actually exercising their rights that we're finally able to see it. America has become a nation more of protecting the corporations and less about protecting 'we the people'.

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                          • #14
                            Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

                            I think they need to stop trashing our cities, and using up valuable public services.....
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                              Re: How do you guys feel about Occupy *insert city here*?

                              where have they trashed a city? and besides for the police who are sent in to break up a peaceful protest unconstitutionally what services are they using up?



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