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  • Wolfie
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    Rebuilding NO, at what cost?

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/30/nagin.plan/index.html

    Nagin outlined his vision for the help he wants from the federal government, including significant income tax breaks.

    The mayor said he also wants the federal government to create an incentive zone in New Orleans that would give city residents a 50 percent credit on their income tax bill. Businesses also would get a tax credit equal to 50 percent of their total payroll.

    The tax breaks would last for seven years or until the city's population returns to the level it was before Katrina, he said.

    Nagin said he has asked the White House for federal help in "immediately" rebuilding the levee system to protect the city from a Category 3 storm.

    Once that short-term project is in place, the mayor said he wants the system to be upgraded so that it can withstand a Category 5 storm, the most intense classification.

    Nagin proposed a light rail system he envisions would go from downtown to the Louis Armstrong International Airport, west of the city, and then on to Baton Rouge, about 80 miles away.

    It would serve "as another mass evacuation tool that could be used before, during or after a storm," he said.
    Should Federal taxpayers shoulder most or all of the bill to rebuild NO back to the way it was before?

  • CingularDuality
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    Originally posted by Wolfie
    So is Los Angeles and there has never been a proposal like this for when they experience natural disasters.....
    Los Angeles has never faced a natural disaster like this (that I can think of...). Earthquakes that cause some old apartment buildings to collapse? Pffttt... Big deal. Wildfires that burn some million dollar homes? <yawn> Santa Anas and drought? Issue fines for watering your lawn. Water Spouts off the coast of San Diego? They can't make it to shore. Mudslides due to heavy rain? Oh, no, now the multi-million dollar homes on the cliffs are in danger!

    Nope, I can't think of anything that has even threatened L.A. that is even mildly comparable to the force of a Category 5 hurricane and/or the resulting floods...

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  • leejo
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    The refineries and pipelines aren't there for fashion. It's where the oil is.

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  • Wolfie
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    Originally posted by IceCold
    None of the other areas are as vital to this nation's economy as New Orleans is...
    So is Los Angeles and there has never been a proposal like this for when they experience natural disasters.....

    And it can be argued that by dispersing the economy (i.e. the oil industry) concentrated around N.O., future disasters would not effect the national economy as much.

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  • Wolfie
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    Originally posted by leejo
    I think the key word is "spend". We should never spend $100B, we should invest it. Also, one can argue that tax incentives to private companies and indibviduals who decide to invest in the area will be more effective than a $100B program that then must be administrered, reviewed, audited, and red-taped into uselessness.
    While I agree that most (if not all) Federal and State aid programs end up being ineffective, I don't think individuals will invest any wiser. Companies will do a better job of investing and I don't argue with giving them a tax break (jobs bring people in).

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  • Wolfie
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    Originally posted by Tempus
    Well, if we can spend 100s of $billions on a foreign country that we have little hope of changing, we can certainly spend some money on our own freaking country, don't ya think?
    Please read my posts completely. I didn't say not to spend any money, I said no special tax breaks in addition to all the federal aid money that is going to be sent down there to rebuild N.O.

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  • Wolfie
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    I don't know, I just find it difficult to give tax incentatives to a city that...

    -has a violent crime rate of 1273.2 (National average is 446.1)

    -has a murder rate of 33.9 (3.9 nationally)

    -has a rape rate of 60.1 (32.8 nationally)

    It is not surprising of all the issues they had of people being lawless during the recent tragedy there.

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  • leejo
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    Re: Rebuilding NO, at what cost?

    I think the key word is "spend". We should never spend $100B, we should invest it. Also, one can argue that tax incentives to private companies and indibviduals who decide to invest in the area will be more effective than a $100B program that then must be administrered, reviewed, audited, and red-taped into uselessness.

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  • Tempus
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    Well, if we can spend 100s of $billions on a foreign country that we have little hope of changing, we can certainly spend some money on our own freaking country, don't ya think?

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  • IceCold
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    Originally posted by Wolfie
    I guess my biggest problem with this is that it is only being proposed to apply to N.O. What about everyone else that was effected during Hurrican Katrina? What about Hurricane Rita? What about every other natural disaster out there?

    By what I have been reading, the people in LA will be receiving alot of support from the Federal government to rebuild their lives with aid and such. Giving them a tax discount just because they choose to live in an area that is several feet below sea level seems a bit lopsided to me.
    None of the other areas are as vital to this nation's economy as New Orleans is...

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  • Wolfie
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    Originally posted by CingularDuality
    7 years? No, I think that's a bit much... But having that kind of discount (not credit) for 3 years seems reasonable. Make the area a "no tax" zone for six months to entice private business to get in there and rebuild. Then the 50% discount for the following two years in order to help people and businesses get back on their feet.

    This isn't rewarding anyone, it's just making it easier for them to rebuild.
    I guess my biggest problem with this is that it is only being proposed to apply to N.O. What about everyone else that was effected during Hurrican Katrina? What about Hurricane Rita? What about every other natural disaster out there?

    By what I have been reading, the people in LA will be receiving alot of support from the Federal government to rebuild their lives with aid and such. Giving them a tax discount just because they choose to live in an area that is several feet below sea level seems a bit lopsided to me.

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  • Steeler
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    I choose to live in an area that, in terms of geologic time, is prone to meteor strikes. If a meteor wiped out a good chunk of my state, I might feel the federal government could spare some cash to help us put it back together.

    We all live in places that could be destroyed or significantly damaged by any number of disasters. Life comes with certain inherent risks to person and property. The point of rebuilding NO is that it is a potential open wound to the economy and infrastructure of the nation. As such it needs to be treated for the health of the whole country.

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  • CingularDuality
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    Originally posted by Wolfie
    What I didn't like was given everyone in N.O. a 50% credit on their income taxes for the next 7 years (possibly).

    I don't mind federal resources being spent to rebuild, but giving everyone a credit of that much for that long doesn't seem fair to those that also live in areas that can experience natural disasters but take actions to prevent the devastation seen in N.O.

    I mean, they choose to live in an area that is below sea level. They simply shouldn't be rewarded for chosing to live in that area.
    7 years? No, I think that's a bit much... But having that kind of discount (not credit) for 3 years seems reasonable. Make the area a "no tax" zone for six months to entice private business to get in there and rebuild. Then the 50% discount for the following two years in order to help people and businesses get back on their feet.

    This isn't rewarding anyone, it's just making it easier for them to rebuild.

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  • Wolfie
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    What I didn't like was given everyone in N.O. a 50% credit on their income taxes for the next 7 years (possibly).

    I don't mind federal resources being spent to rebuild, but giving everyone a credit of that much for that long doesn't seem fair to those that also live in areas that can experience natural disasters but take actions to prevent the devastation seen in N.O.

    I mean, they choose to live in an area that is below sea level. They simply shouldn't be rewarded for chosing to live in that area.

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  • Steeler
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    I'm for any major rebuilding and relief effort all throughout the gulf coast, just so long as they establish some strong anti-corruption measures similar to FDR's programs. I don't think they are going to do that though, and many friends of friends of friends are going to walk off with a lot of federal monies.

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