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    Thought this was an interesting read, at least for the supporters of our military and the war on terror, lol, of course the "other" side might not think it's interesting..."


    WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID

    Things that make you think a little:

    There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
    In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
    month of January.That's just one American city,
    about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.

    When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
    have started this war, state the following:

    a. FDR led us into World War II.

    b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
    From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
    an average of 112,500 per year.

    c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
    North Korea never attacked us.
    From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
    an average of 18,334 per year.

    d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
    Vietnam never attacked us.

    e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
    From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ...
    an average of 5,800 per year.

    f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
    Bosnia n! ever att acked us.
    He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
    times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
    multiple occasions.

    g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President! Bush
    has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
    al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors inLibya, Iran, and North
    Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
    slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.



    The Democrats are complaining
    about how long the war is taking.
    But ..

    It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
    to take the Branch Davidian compound.
    That was a 51-day operation.
    We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
    in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
    the Rose Law Firm billing records.

    It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
    Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
    than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
    Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick

    It took less time to take Iraq than it took
    to count the votes in Florida!!!!

    Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
    The Military morale is high!

    The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
    to realize the facts


    But Wait there's more!


    JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
    Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13

    Some people still don't understand why military personnel
    do what they do for a living. This exchange between
    Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
    is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
    impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
    man's explanation of why men and women in the armed
    services do what they do for a living.


    This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
    some who have never served think of the military.


    Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
    "How can you run for Senate
    when you've never held a real job?"

    Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
    "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
    I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
    My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different
    occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my
    checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
    not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
    daily cash receipts to the bank."

    "I ask you to go with me .. as I went the other day...
    to a veteran's hospital and look those men
    with their mangled bodies .. in the eye, and tell THEM
    they didn't hold a job!

    You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
    and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
    of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
    and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
    that their DADS didn't hold a job.

    You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
    Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
    buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
    those waving flags

    You stand there, and you think about this nation,
    and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

    What about you?"



    For those who don't remember ..
    During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
    representing the Communist Party in the USA.



    Now he's a Senator!

    If you can read this, thank a teacher.
    If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.
    Magnum |TG-18th|


    We stand between chaos and order, evil and good, despair and hope - we are the Thin Blue Line, and we will never be broken.


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    Re: What John Glenn said...

    I don't really know one way or the other on this whole war, but that was indeed worth a read.

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      Re: What John Glenn said...

      :icon14: big thanks to all here who serve or have served.

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      • #4
        Re: What John Glenn said...

        Originally posted by Magnum50

        WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID

        Things that make you think a little:

        There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
        In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
        month of January.That's just one American city,
        about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
        That's only one month out of ~33 months we've been there. In November 2005 88 US servicemen and women were killed. Do we really need to look up how many other coalition force members were killed? What about Civilians? Is it wrong for me to assume we all know it's probably much higher than 88 in total?

        When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
        have started this war, state the following:

        d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
        Vietnam never attacked us.

        e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
        From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ...
        an average of 5,800 per year.
        Just because we fought in Vietnam doesn't mean we should have. I, for one, feel that it was a mistake. And JFK had plans to remove our advisors and forces from Vietnam. Unfortunately he was assassinated before it could happen.


        He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
        times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
        multiple occasions.
        I agree that this was a mistake. However, there is more to it than meets the eye. Read Holy War Inc. by Peter L. Bergen. Great book about Osama Bin Laden's rise to power & Al-Qaeda.

        g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President! Bush
        has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
        al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors inLibya, Iran, and North
        Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
        slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
        Define liberated. If by liberated you mean remove previous regimes through military force, but not properly plan and prepare to restore structure and security, then yes I agree.

        The Democrats are complaining
        about how long the war is taking.
        I think we should finish what we started, but I don't think we should have gone in the first place.

        Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
        "How can you run for Senate
        when you've never held a real job?"
        That was an extremely stupid and ignorant question. I'm with you on this.
        |TG|Delta_Swift

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        • #5
          Re: What John Glenn said...

          Originally posted by Magnum50
          He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
          times by Sudan and did nothing.
          Interesting tit-bit from the 9/11 Commission Report:
          "[F]ormer Sudanese officials claim that Sudan offered to expel Bin Ladin to the United States." But the report immediately continued: "Clinton administration officials deny ever receiving such an offer. We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim."

          You should also check out the October 3rd, 2001 Washington Post article entitled, U.S. Was Foiled Multiple Times in Efforts to Capture Bin Laden or Have Him Killed, and Sandy Berger's (former National Security Advisor) Op-Ed piece published July 13th, 2002, entitled, Skeptical About Sudan.

          [conduct][volun][drill][sg-c1][tpf-c1]
          |TG-2nd|munchkin
          Nec aspera terrent.

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          • #6
            Re: What John Glenn said...

            I should have clarified my post better. You're right on the money Munchkin. One such attempt to take out Bin Laden was foiled due to certain "supposed Saudi friends" visiting him at the time. The strike had to be called off. Ain't that some shtuff?
            |TG|Delta_Swift

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            • #7
              Re: What John Glenn said...

              It's a little slanted and somewhat inaccurate.

              During WWII Germany declared war on the US. You can pretend they didn't physically attack first but that's not so relevant when you remember they declared war first and their ally was invading US territory. If you want to talk about technicalities like that it should also be mentioned the Korean War was a UN policing action and the US never declared war but North Korea did invade start the conflict by invading a US ally.

              It's also very slanted in that it mentions the actions of Kennedy and Johnson who were 2 Democrat presidents during Vietnam without ever talking about Richard Nixon. Then Clinton is attacked for bombing Bosnia and while his actions led to the overthrow of Slobodan Milosevic that repressive regime isn't mentioned. Even though the article was quick to mention the other countries that never attacked us it forgets to mention Iraq. If we want to be as technical as the article Afghanistan would fall under that category too as they were harboring terrorists but they themselves never attacked the US.

              The conversation with John Glenn though, did actually happen.

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              • #8
                Re: What John Glenn said...

                Delta Swift... I fully support your right to disagree, (aren't you glad your an American, lol)...

                but the first thing I do, when someone disagrees with me, or post the way you did, (which by the way was a very civil and professional post), I like to read the bios, (and thanks again for filling that out, most don't)...

                and I knew it was one of two things... 1) not an American, or 2) a young collage student... lol....

                As much as you have a right to disagree, I also believe your age group and status group are brained washed by a bunch of Democratic Professors, and don't think 19 years of a "good" American life warrant you with a valid opinion on the matter...

                Now I know this sounds like I'm putting you down, I'm not, thats not the purpose... but it is my honest opinion, and since you choose to respond to my post (and another thank you for that, at least were using the "sandbox" forum for the purpose)... I also expect you'll do one of two things 1) Ignore this reply, or 2) Tell me I'm old and brain washed by the man or something similar. lol

                either way... your post is appreciated, because it's the purpose of the Sandbox forum, but disagree...think you should get some opinions of your own. Get some real life experience. (not everyone wants to hug).

                Oh, BTW... don't forget John Glenn is a Democrat.
                Magnum |TG-18th|


                We stand between chaos and order, evil and good, despair and hope - we are the Thin Blue Line, and we will never be broken.

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                • #9
                  Re: What John Glenn said...

                  and Arf, thanks for your reply, wish you would of shared your bio info with us... would be interesting to know... lol

                  but yes I agree, it is slanted to one side... ain't that the way it always is in politic talk/post? lol

                  but theres also ALOT of truth in that statement...
                  Magnum |TG-18th|


                  We stand between chaos and order, evil and good, despair and hope - we are the Thin Blue Line, and we will never be broken.

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                  • #10
                    Re: What John Glenn said...

                    Yes indeed, it was a good read however Arf made some exellent points. I didn't really read into it to much but Arf's arguement contains exellent counterpoints.

                    My bio is filled Magnum, let's speculate on my brainwashing shall we ;).

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                    • #11
                      Re: What John Glenn said...

                      Originally posted by Magnum50
                      As much as you have a right to disagree, I also believe your age group and status group are brained washed by a bunch of Democratic Professors, and don't think 19 years of a "good" American life warrant you with a valid opinion on the matter...
                      Delta can have my 27 years tacked on to his then, because I happen to agree. Is 46 old enough to start having opinions?
                      Now I know this sounds like I'm putting you down, I'm not, thats not the purpose...
                      ...think you should get some opinions of your own. Get some real life experience. (not everyone wants to hug).
                      Regardless of your purpose, you ARE putting him down. You assume that, by dint of his being 19 and a student, that he categorically must be a) too deficient in life experience (whatever that is) to express an opinion, and b) brainwashed by some theoretical political force opposed to your own.

                      That was the most condescending and insulting post I have seen in my short time in the sandbox so far. Don't resort to dismissing him out of hand just because you have no adequate response to his comments.
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                      • #12
                        Re: What John Glenn said...

                        Originally posted by Magnum50

                        If you can read this, thank a teacher.
                        If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.

                        Say's it all.


                        18th SF Operational Detachment Delta

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                        • #13
                          Re: What John Glenn said...

                          Originally posted by Steeler
                          Regardless of your purpose, you ARE putting him down. You assume that, by dint of his being 19 and a student, that he categorically must be a) too deficient in life experience (whatever that is) to express an opinion, and b) brainwashed by some theoretical political force opposed to your own.

                          That was the most condescending and insulting post I have seen in my short time in the sandbox so far. Don't resort to dismissing him out of hand just because you have no adequate response to his comments.
                          Hmmm... <puts moderator hat on>

                          I can see how you might interpret Magnum's comments to be condescending and insulting, but I think that you have to go out of your way to try to interpret it that way. Let's try to consider the author's perspective and intention before slinging accusations of "condescending and insulting", OK? Let's also consider how people might interpret things when we write them, Magnum. Perhaps a different choice of words would have imparted the same opinion without sounding "insulting"?</hat>

                          Personally, I think that Magnum is right. Throughout one's life, there will be subjects on which you're not (yet?) qualified to opine. Not that you can't open your mouth and spew an opinion, but just that people won't, and shouldn't, take you seriously. I don't necessarily think this is one of those situations, though...
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                          • #14
                            Re: What John Glenn said...

                            Mostly I just watch a lot of educational television.

                            I tend to check my facts on Historychannel.com and Wikipedia if I don't have a book nearby.

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                            • #15
                              Re: What John Glenn said...

                              right and we are all given the rights we have today becuase of our vets......i give to them when i can and when i see a vet i thank him....you may not agree with whats going on right now....but you have a duty to support them...they signed up to secure our countries future....and i agree with cing and magnum....+rep
                              that sounds like a good idea trooper.
                              -Vulcan

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