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  • Ok, Tookies gone, next...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Ray_Allen

    If you don't like Wiki, there are plenty of other sources out there.

    Where do we draw the line for clemency ?

  • #2
    Re: Ok, Tookies gone, next...

    He's not deaf nor retarded, he can still pose a threat, he never repented, and even if he had it wouldn't bring those people back from the dead. Same with Tookie, but I didn't want to get involved in that argument.

    Kill em all.

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    • #3
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      Guilt, innocence and morality aside, I believe there is a law that states an inmate cannot be executed if they are in poor health. Not sure if it's state or federal, however. So, if the law applies and he's in poor condition because of his bad ticker, no execution.

      Kinda funny, in a sense; gotta make sure someone is healthy before you kill them.
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      • #4
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        Not funny, asinine.

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        • #5
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          Or slightly ironic.
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          • #6
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            Originally posted by Steel_Penguin
            Or slightly ironic.
            Indeed. Worst cure ever.

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            • #7
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              With regard to applying the sentence in cases like this - wherein the convicted develops serious health issues in between the conviction and sentencing and the 25 years of appeals - I don't see any reason to overturn the judge and jury's decision. When Pinochet was arrested I didn't think "that poor old man" but rather "damn that took a long time."

              Lots of sick old men should have died a long time ago. The people they killed should have lived. He was tried, he was convicted. WHILE SERVING TIME for the first conviction he committed crimes, was tried again, and was again convicted, this time with special circumstances.

              Whether this guy has diabetes of butt-syphilis is irrelevant. The appeals process was there to ensure that his rights were protected and to scrutinize the procedings that lead to his death sentence. That process is nearly complete, and so is he.

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              • #8
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                What a perfect example of why life imprisonment != death penalty. People serving life sentences can retaliate.

                Once again, the only travesty I see is the length of time it took to exhaust his appeals. I want to see death sentences carried out within two years while there's still a chance we're executing the monster and not the sweet, repentant, cuddly inmate he evolved in to.

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                • #9
                  Re: Ok, Tookies gone, next...

                  Originally posted by Buck Fush
                  What a perfect example of why life imprisonment != death penalty. People serving life sentences can retaliate.

                  Once again, the only travesty I see is the length of time it took to exhaust his appeals. I want to see death sentences carried out within two years while there's still a chance we're executing the monster and not the sweet, repentant, cuddly inmate he evolved in to.
                  Last night on Larry King (transcript), there was a guy named Alan Gell who had been on death row for 4 years and in jail for a total of 9 years. For a murder he did not commit. For a murder he could not have committed. Not sure of the exact circumstances, but the victim's body turned up quite a while after he had been murdered so getting the exact date was tough. A couple people were given plea bargins to testify against Gell, and they were less than truthful. Turned out that Gell had a pretty good alibi for the real date of the murder - he was locked up for another crime at the time of the murder! I think that 4 years had passed from his conviction to when a new trial was ordered.. He would have been wrongfully executed. He wasn't a saint, but his crimes weren't worthy of the death penalty.
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                  • #10
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                    4 years. Okay, we'll make the appeals process 5 years then.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Ok, Tookies gone, next...

                      Originally posted by Buck Fush
                      I want to see death sentences carried out within two years while there's still a chance we're executing the monster and not the sweet, repentant, cuddly inmate he evolved in to.

                      Are you saying that Tookie didn't deserve to die after he wrote a couple kid's books and said he was sorry for killing... what was it, 5 people?

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                      • #12
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                        It was 4 people and.........have you checked the actual sales figures of his books?
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                        • #13
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                          Twas the Night Before Christmas and all through San Quentin,
                          The Crips were protesting, and liberals were ventin’.

                          The cyanide hung by the chamber with care,
                          In hopes the Grim Reaper would soon be there.

                          The inmate were nestled all snug in their bed,
                          Except for Old Tookie, who soon would be dead.

                          And me with my beer mug, dressed warm in my flannel,
                          Curled up to watch it on the Fox News channel.

                          I set up my Tivo to record the news station,
                          Thoroughly enjoying the momentous occasion.

                          It seemed Lady Justice had gotten her way
                          And there would be one less savage today.

                          When outside the jail there arose such a clatter
                          The cameras turned to see what was the matter.

                          When what to my civilized eyes did appear?
                          But a lineup of actors, all liberal, half queer.

                          The misguided freaks drew some curious looks
                          Proclaiming his innocence and clutching his books.

                          The tears then flew out from Sarandon’s eyes
                          As she nominated him for another Nobel Peace Prize.

                          The actors were tethered to an ACLU sleigh
                          All towing the line of, “Urban decay.”

                          On Asner, on Penn, on liberal cop-haters,
                          On Sharpton, on Jesse and all other race-baiters.

                          Then at 00:30 all curled up like a beetle,
                          Tookie cried as they gave him the needle.

                          When up from the actors there arose such a cry.
                          They had failed in their mission and Tookie did die.

                          I heard Bill O’Reilly say as I turned out my light,
                          Merry Christmas to all … there was justice tonight!
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                          • #14
                            Re: Ok, Tookies gone, next...

                            Originally posted by Pickle
                            It was 4 people and.........have you checked the actual sales figures of his books?

                            No and I don't care to. He could become a preacher for all I care but he still killed 4 people.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Ok, Tookies gone, next...

                              Originally posted by perry
                              Last night on Larry King (transcript), there was a guy named Alan Gell who had been on death row for 4 years and in jail for a total of 9 years. For a murder he did not commit. For a murder he could not have committed. Not sure of the exact circumstances, but the victim's body turned up quite a while after he had been murdered so getting the exact date was tough. A couple people were given plea bargins to testify against Gell, and they were less than truthful. Turned out that Gell had a pretty good alibi for the real date of the murder - he was locked up for another crime at the time of the murder! I think that 4 years had passed from his conviction to when a new trial was ordered.. He would have been wrongfully executed. He wasn't a saint, but his crimes weren't worthy of the death penalty.
                              This was prosecutorial-misconduct and I believe it should be dealt with harshly.

                              Originally posted by Pickle
                              ...
                              When what to my civilized eyes did appear?
                              But a lineup of actors, all liberal, half queer.
                              ...
                              It was all great, but this was my favorite.

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