Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

spanish troops.

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • spanish troops.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3512144.stm

    bloody spanish nobs set to pull troops from iraq because they have had a bomb explode on them

    sense the bias, i dont care im not opening a debate i am venting from theose treacherous idiots. we have all suffered. odviously they dont care that the are letting the enmy win....

    both the United Kingdom and the USA have had terror attacks on their soil us with the IRA and 9-11 for you guys.

    jesus it made us unte against terror and the spanish people have rolled over in the face of terror, they are lap dogs to alqueda or eta or whoever did it. these people have now increased the chances of attacks else where in the world because the terrorists have had the taste of success.

    this is what they want, and atrocious acts of violence it how you get it. this is the lesson being taught.


    www.TeamElement.com

  • #2
    Re: spanish troops.

    Originally posted by DudeMan
    this is what they want, and atrocious acts of violence it how you get it. this is the lesson being taught.
    I agree with that... It's a very bad example being set.
    Diplomacy is the art of saying "good doggie" while looking for a bigger stick.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: spanish troops.

      The timing is very suspect, but so is looking for al-queda in Iraq.

      At least they are not pulling out outright, they are TRYING to get a UN security force to help.

      We lost 7 more US soldiers yesterday. :-(

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: spanish troops.

        The good people of Spain seem to be saying that they unite with the USA in the war on terror, but only as long as the gun remains pointed at us, not them, and where our countries disagree, they will pull out of any partnership. Not a good model for success, and not a good plan for Spain.

        History will not judge Spain well over this, I don't think. To allow terrorists to murder several hundred people and not blame them but the current gov't and, by extension, the USA, is shameful and wrongheaded, in my opinion.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: spanish troops.

          Furthermore, the PM-elect's only proposal to date is to pull troops out of Iraq. That's his idea of how to address the terror problem in Spain. Not exactly proactive...

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: spanish troops.

            terror in spain equates to iraq how?

            Afghanistan, yes, Iraq?

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: spanish troops.

              Originally posted by fr1j0l3
              terror in spain equates to iraq how?

              Afghanistan, yes, Iraq?
              I can't seem to form a concrete opinion on this, but I'm curious how you can. Seriously, what has formed your opinion about Iraq having no connections with Terror groups?

              I admit there seems to be no real "smoking gun", but there is so much circumstantial evidence (salman pak, abu nidal, ramzi yousef, etc.) I don't understand how you could rule the possibility out.
              New to TG?

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: spanish troops.

                Wow, untwist your knickers.

                The reason that the general majority voted for the other party is because after the attacks, the government immeadiately blamed Eta (in the face of otherwise apparent evidence). Feeling somewhat lied to and without going back over the same 'Reasons for War' argument, they felt the need to stand up and be counted and therefore the majority ousted the party.

                With regard Iraq, it is a reaction based upon what is percieved as a lying government, and the Prime Minister has said he will withdraw his troops unless things change. (All 1400 of them).

                The general consensus is that they will wait for the handover date (30th June?? can't be bothered to go link it) and view toward a more stable Iraq.

                With regard to Iraq, we all know the reason it is related is because Iraq is made up of Al Qaida, as is the bogeyman who lives in my shed.

                Not a good example perhaps, but certainly not the 'treacherous dogs' you are looking for. They voted out percieved lying to make the peoples views of such action clear.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: spanish troops.

                  Originally posted by USN_Squid
                  I can't seem to form a concrete opinion on this, but I'm curious how you can. Seriously, what has formed your opinion about Iraq having no connections with Terror groups?

                  I admit there seems to be no real "smoking gun", but there is so much circumstantial evidence (salman pak, abu nidal, ramzi yousef, etc.) I don't understand how you could rule the possibility out.
                  I've also got nothing concrete to go on.

                  If circumstantial evidence is all it takes to pre-emptively attack another nation, that's scary.

                  And who's to blame someone for not wanting to go along with that string of events?

                  Even so, this troop pullout "might" happen when the handover is approved anyways.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: spanish troops.

                    Originally posted by fr1j0l3
                    I've also got nothing concrete to go on.

                    If circumstantial evidence is all it takes to pre-emptively attack another nation, that's scary.

                    And who's to blame someone for not wanting to go along with that string of events?

                    Even so, this troop pullout "might" happen when the handover is approved anyways.
                    True, and I hope our troops are right behind them locking the door on their way home.
                    New to TG?

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: spanish troops.

                      Originally posted by Benny_
                      Wow, untwist your knickers.

                      The reason that the general majority voted for the other party is because after the attacks, the government immeadiately blamed Eta (in the face of otherwise apparent evidence). Feeling somewhat lied to and without going back over the same 'Reasons for War' argument, they felt the need to stand up and be counted and therefore the majority ousted the party.

                      With regard Iraq, it is a reaction based upon what is percieved as a lying government, and the Prime Minister has said he will withdraw his troops unless things change. (All 1400 of them).

                      The general consensus is that they will wait for the handover date (30th June?? can't be bothered to go link it) and view toward a more stable Iraq.

                      With regard to Iraq, we all know the reason it is related is because Iraq is made up of Al Qaida, as is the bogeyman who lives in my shed.

                      Not a good example perhaps, but certainly not the 'treacherous dogs' you are looking for. They voted out percieved lying to make the peoples views of such action clear.
                      actually Benny i have talked with my Politics lecturer today on the subject and he seems to agree to me that because the government put the finger of blaim to eta as a first knee jerk reaction would not provoke this kind of vote. the vote has come from scare mungerring.

                      think of it with regards to the spanish, eta are the only known terrorist group acting in span therefore you would be inclined to think that they were the cause.

                      and there are no real links between iraq and alqueda, sadam did fund some terror ats but himself and inladen hated each other.

                      and do not tell me to untwist knickers rubbish.. it isnt needed and you could have made your point without trying to belittle the oposition to your point

                      thank you.


                      www.TeamElement.com

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: spanish troops.

                        Originally posted by USN_Squid
                        True, and I hope our troops are right behind them locking the door on their way home.

                        so you disagree with our work in iraq. thats disheartening.

                        ur Country men and women are over there trying to secure a future for iraq and its populace and just because some spanish city had a bomb which yur nation and mine have had at some point in the past they pul out and let the terroists win.. no thanks this time we finish the job and secure a hopeful future for the new government in power.


                        www.TeamElement.com

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: spanish troops.

                          Originally posted by DudeMan
                          so you disagree with our work in iraq. thats disheartening.

                          ur Country men and women are over there trying to secure a future for iraq and its populace and just because some spanish city had a bomb which yur nation and mine have had at some point in the past they pul out and let the terroists win.. no thanks this time we finish the job and secure a hopeful future for the new government in power.
                          I think squid was SUPPORTING our work over in Iraq....

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: spanish troops.

                            Originally posted by DudeMan
                            so you disagree with our work in iraq. thats disheartening.

                            ur Country men and women are over there trying to secure a future for iraq and its populace and just because some spanish city had a bomb which yur nation and mine have had at some point in the past they pul out and let the terroists win.. no thanks this time we finish the job and secure a hopeful future for the new government in power.
                            Sorry I wasn't clear....I adamantly support our efforts in Iraq and the bombing in Spain only strengthens my resolve to put my vote where it counts and fight terrorism. I am at the same time anxious for our work to be done in Iraq. I don't think we should withdraw until the country has stabilized, however.
                            New to TG?

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: spanish troops.

                              Originally posted by DudeMan

                              and do not tell me to untwist knickers rubbish.. it isnt needed and you could have made your point without trying to belittle the oposition to your point

                              thank you.
                              1. I wasn't belittling anyone, if you have a complex, not really my problem, if you feel the need to talk down to me jump right ahead.

                              2. Back to the subject. I only posted what I had listened to on the radio and on the news, and heard second hand from someone back from Barcelona yesterday, which I can understand may be in-admissable. So.......my opinion still stands, I'm not going to get involved in the war discussion which I think we can all do without. In my pink and fluffy world the Spanish populus felt that this was one step too far and made the voting decision to change their leaders. Irrespective of your or my personal views, if 90% of the public were against the war and the leader went anyway, are they not exercising that right in light of recent revelations or lack thereof?

                              I may or may not agree with it, but I understand it.

                              Now I can also understand yours and everyones disappointment in the vote, but a rant full of anger isn't the way to say it. Let's hope they do follow the decent path and all of our troops can be out of there soon.

                              Regarding the Eta blaming
                              Some Spaniards were vitriolic in accusing Aznar of "manipulating" public opinion by spending three days blaming the bombings on the Basque separatist group ETA, despite its denials.
                              And the troop withdrawal?
                              The Socialists have pledged to withdraw Spain's 1 300 troops from Iraq if the United Nations does not take control by June 30 when Washington plans to hand power back to Iraqis
                              Doesn't sound so bad to me.

                              In some comments, Zapatero has sounded definitive in wanting to pull out Spanish troops, while in others and in his campaign pledge he has left open the door for continued Spanish presence in Iraq if the United Nations takes over from the U.S.-led authority

                              I don't want this to turn into a personal debate, I think we all generally agree this may lead to bad things(tm), but lets hope not. As Squid has just posted, it's a delicate balance.
                              Sources
                              http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1414804.htm
                              http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4569989
                              http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3510142.stm

                              Comment

                              Connect

                              Collapse

                              TeamSpeak 3 Server

                              Collapse

                              Advertisement

                              Collapse

                              Twitter Feed

                              Collapse

                              Working...
                              X