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  • #16
    Re: spanish troops.

    Originally posted by USN_Squid
    Sorry I wasn't clear....I adamantly support our efforts in Iraq and the bombing in Spain only strengthens my resolve to put my vote where it counts and fight terrorism. I am at the same time anxious for our work to be done in Iraq. I don't think we should withdraw until the country has stabilized, however.

    my apologies. i was wrong.


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    • #17
      Re: spanish troops.

      Benny i started the thread and from the outset i said its not a debate i am ventiong. if you do not like the way i posted it. go tell someone who cares. i dont care if it was a balanced argument blah blah... the spanish will pull out. good luck to them because now eta know exactly what to do to get a rise out of them.

      and i also stick by what i said dont tell me to untwist blah blah, there was no need for it.


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      • #18
        Re: spanish troops.

        Originally posted by DudeMan
        Benny i started the thread and from the outset i said its not a debate i am ventiong. if you do not like the way i posted it. go tell someone who cares. i dont care if it was a balanced argument blah blah... the spanish will pull out. good luck to them because now eta know exactly what to do to get a rise out of them.

        and i also stick by what i said dont tell me to untwist blah blah, there was no need for it.
        ok, fair enough. I didn't actually tell you to, I told all of you to. Did you seriously expect to vent on here without a response?

        Never mind. I'll accept that.

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        • #19
          Re: spanish troops.

          Originally posted by Benny_
          ok, fair enough. I didn't actually tell you to, I told all of you to. Did you seriously expect to vent on here without a response?

          Never mind. I'll accept that.

          thank you,


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          • #20
            Re: spanish troops.

            I am no expert on this but my Brother is currently living in Spain and he says that pulling the Spanish troops out was a campaign promise of the newly elected officials and was all ready in the works before the bombing of Madrid took place. The Bombing had nothing to do with it it was just a coincedence.
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            • #21
              Re: spanish troops.

              ...except for the fact that the incumbent conservative party was leading the polls by a wide margin right up to the bombing. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but there were some quotes as well from people saying they changed their vote after the bombing.
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              • #22
                Re: spanish troops.

                We sure are quick to judge in this country. :(

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                • #23
                  Re: spanish troops.

                  Originally posted by Wyzcrak
                  We sure are quick to judge in this country. :(

                  Wyzcrak
                  Not really Wyz. It's my experience that most people are quick to judge others based on little (if no) fact at all from every country - that's just our nature I guess.
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                  • #24
                    Re: spanish troops.

                    Did you just say that every country judges people and America doesn't? Or did you just say that every country judges people and America is simply included?

                    If it was the latter, I must point out that I didn't claim America was MORE quick to judge, but only that we were TOO quick to judge.

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                    • #25
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                      every country judges judges who sit in a judging panel to judge judges judging judges...LOL

                      No I meant that every person on the planet is too quick to judge. It sounded like you were just including your own kinsmen. I wanted to make a point that it's everywhere - except where there are judges who judge judges for judging other people about how judges should be judged...eek!
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                      • #26
                        Re: spanish troops.

                        Originally posted by USN_Squid
                        ...except for the fact that the incumbent conservative party was leading the polls by a wide margin right up to the bombing. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but there were some quotes as well from people saying they changed their vote after the bombing.

                        yes this is correct the conservative part had a 10 point lead in the polls and it is virtually unheard of for a party to overcome another with that margin, it is argued that their overwhelming support is what kept the conservative pary from postponing the elections all togethher.

                        and the pulling troops out was not at all in the works as you suggest, it was merely the manifesto of the pary comming a distant second in the race for elections. the bombings had turned the tide and people opted for a knee jerk reation which has left spain defeated by terrorists.

                        thanks spain for your unwavering support when the terror was not yurs to bare, and thanks again for pulling out because actually the support was for political favors nothing else.

                        and where is the quick judgement excuse me. all information i base my opinions on comes from news articles in the guardian the times, and some web sites. am i not allowed to form my opinion ... sorry.


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                        • #27
                          Re: spanish troops.

                          I don't see how Spain's pulling out of Iraq makes them any safer unless you accept the argument that making terrorists happy makes you safe.

                          Personally, I'm glad to know that our Government is making terrorists hopping mad or dead.

                          Faced with last week's bombing on their soil, the only response Spain's people seem to have made is to blame the US and the situation in Iraq. I don't see how that becomes a plan to improve their security.
                          Last edited by leejo; 03-18-2004, 12:38 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Re: spanish troops.

                            Originally posted by DudeMan
                            and where is the quick judgement excuse me. all information i base my opinions on comes from news articles in the guardian the times, and some web sites. am i not allowed to form my opinion ... sorry.
                            It isn't the fact that you have an opinion (everyone does) or that you are not allowed to form them, it is statements like the above that entice flaming and encourage people to make you squirm in your seat. State your opinion, use the facts to support it and let people say what they will (because they are going to anyway). If your statement requires clarification it will become evident in a very short amount of time.

                            As for the Spanish, they have not been long out from under the chokehold of neo-conservative (read: communist) dictatorship. They are still trying to figure out how to make their place in the free world economy and politics. You will see many more "learning" experience examples from them. This was merely a poor choice to their nation's benefit instead of looking at the much larger picture in terms of what their decision does to the effort to combat terrorism on a global scale. Even if they do pull out of Iraq in the short term, you will see them return when (and I say when not if) the UN decides to step in to take the burden off the Allies currently trying to quell a situation that has turned from "a common house fire" into "a towering inferno that covers 20 square blocks of a major city".
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                            • #29
                              Re: spanish troops.

                              no sorrry i still fail to see any poiints of mine at least and of other although i dont know how much reading other have done on the situation that jumps to a quick judgement.

                              i have stated my opinion and i have not tried to tellothers that their opinion is totally wrong i know whats right blah blah blah... so who has jum,ped to conclusion. if i have a conclusion logical i cant differentiate between a conclusion that has been jumpede too and one that has had thought other than researching a little into the topic. therefore i can say with confidence that i have jumped to no such conclusions.

                              and i agree with whoever said that just because spain drops out doesnt make them safer. terrorists are learning that if you attack us we blow the **** out of your country, now they are learning if you attack spain they give you what you want... sure they took the moral high ground withsaying theun blah blah... but in essence what they are saying is dont attack us we are pulling out...

                              Did you know... that in the 1978 olympics in east germany when all those israelis athletes were killed the germans said that they would give the terrorists the means to escap if they promised never to launch an attack on german soil again. the got them a plain and surrendered all the hostages and allowed them to be killed just to be free of it ever happeneing again...

                              however i take great praise in the fact that mostat killed all but one who is hiding in egypt and they are still searching for him.


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                              • #30
                                Re: spanish troops.

                                i loved the spaniards, until that stupid jose president. i bet even if the enemy gives them a "pearl harbor," they're still gonna coward out like some chickens.


                                but i do support the war in iraq, it was the right thing for us Americans to do.

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