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  • Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

    Here's a good example of what I'm refering too:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...home-headlines

    The headline indicates it's graffiti but is described below as tagging. Is there a difference?

    In my opinion, there is a distinct difference. Living in Los Angeles I see alot of both. Graffiti is art which brings a lifeless wall to life. Tagging is simply self boasting scrawled onto, in this case, a public bus window.

    However, tagging can masquerade as graffiti in many cases. There are lots of murals in LA that have been covered with tagging in the graffiti style.

    I think alot of people use the terms interchangeably to mean the same thing which has given the name graffiti a stigma.
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    Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

    Tagging is a type of graffiti. The artistic murals that you're describing are known to me as being a "piece" (short for masterpiece). And half way in between the two are what I call a "throw up", which is a large, fancy tag.
    But all are graffiti.

    I've always found it interesting that graffiti is a plural word that we use in the singular: Graffiti is a problem. Not: Graffiti are a problem. And who ever uses the word graffito anyway?
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      Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

      It's vandalism.
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        Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

        Do you guys think that the mayor might have set this up to get more publicity? It seems odd that the camera was pointed out the exact window the student decided to tag.

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          Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

          Originally posted by jonan_ View Post
          Do you guys think that the mayor might have set this up to get more publicity? It seems odd that the camera was pointed out the exact window the student decided to tag.
          The bus was loaded with cameras! Did you notice that they didn't get it on video? Just a still shot for the newspaper...
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          • #6
            Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

            Whatever you call it, this guy's work is funny.

            Quote from his Wiki:

            The message is usually anti-war, anti-capitalist, anti-establishment or pro-freedom.

            I love the guy's 'pieces' and everything, they're very funny, but how can one be both anti-capitalist and pro-freedom?
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            • #7
              Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

              Originally posted by xTYBALTx View Post
              Whatever you call it, this guy's work is funny.
              He's definitely an artist. He's as good as any political cartoonist that has ever won a Pulitzer...
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              • #8
                Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

                Graffiti is vandalism and tagging is simply a subset of graffiti in that its a name or other wording as opposed to non-word drawings. You can still call some graffiti art and it would be both right and wrong: right in the sense that it, like anything really, can be viewed as art; wrong in that true art isnt illegal. "allowed graffiti" that the owner of a property has designated a place and given permission for are generally called "murals" and include the artist's tag within the work.

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                • #9
                  Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

                  Don't see anything about legality - or the lack thereof - in the definition of art.

                  Main Entry: 2art
                  Pronunciation: 'ärt
                  Function: noun
                  Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin art-, ars -- more at ARM
                  1 : skill acquired by experience, study, or observation <the art of making friends>
                  2 a : a branch of learning: (1) : one of the humanities (2) plural : LIBERAL ARTS b archaic : LEARNING, SCHOLARSHIP
                  3 : an occupation requiring knowledge or skill <the art of organ building>
                  4 a : the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced b (1) : FINE ARTS (2) : one of the fine arts (3) : a graphic art
                  5 a archaic : a skillful plan b : the quality or state of being artful
                  6 : decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter
                  synonyms ART, SKILL, CUNNING, ARTIFICE, CRAFT mean the faculty of executing well what one has devised. ART implies a personal, unanalyzable creative power <the art of choosing the right word>. SKILL stresses technical knowledge and proficiency <the skill of a glassblower>. CUNNING suggests ingenuity and subtlety in devising, inventing, or executing <a mystery plotted with great cunning>. ARTIFICE suggests technical skill especially in imitating things in nature <believed realism in film could be achieved only by artifice>. CRAFT may imply expertness in workmanship <the craft of a master goldsmith>.

                  Every society that I'm aware of has tried to ban art in one or more forms. I don't see how an activity's legal status changes it from art to not-art.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

                    Originally posted by xTYBALTx View Post
                    I love the guy's 'pieces' and everything, they're very funny, but how can one be both anti-capitalist and pro-freedom?
                    Pretty easily - one is an economic policy, while the other is a more an abstract concept. To get really libertarian, I could ask how can one be anti-crime and pro-freedom; but I tend to subscribe to the idea that men became more free when laws were enacted against murder, rape and theft, not less so.

                    While in practice (and speaking of a national or international scope), you would seem to be correct, there is nothing that fundamentally precludes other economic systems from fostering freedom either. Note that at smaller scopes, there are many organizations that are not capitalist, and yet its members enjoy significant freedoms - like most families.

                    There are also many shades of capitalism out there, with significant disagreement between the nations of the free world about the best way to balance economic realities and human rights. If the trade-off were really black and white, I would expect a much stronger correlation between the two.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

                      I agree with dice in that true freedom entails freedom from fear as well, making laws against violent crimes justifiable. And as he said, capitalism is an economic statement whereas freedom can be defined any way you choose. For example: Bill Gates may be pro freedom in that he agrees with laws freeing people from fear, political oppression and persecution but anti-capitalist in that he thinks that Microsoft should have the right to create a monopoly based on superior technology and marketing skills.

                      Also, art is generally something that is socially acceptable in a design sense and doesnt cause people problems. I cant really think of any art forms that are illegal and still considered art. Now, an aspiring muralist might get his start in graffiti and move to a legal medium and produce the same degree of work, wbut the graffiti would still be considered a nuisance as opposed to art.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

                        Originally posted by Ferris Bueller View Post
                        anti-capitalist in that he thinks that Microsoft should have the right to create a monopoly based on superior technology and marketing skills.
                        That doesn't make sense...
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                        • #13
                          Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

                          Or, Bill Gates could be pro-freedom and pro-capitalist in that he wants to free people from persecution and political oppression whilst permitting succesful companies such as Microsoft to create monopolies. Pro-freedom and pro-capitalist.

                          Capitalism, it's true, is an economic system - but it is the economic system which provides us the greatest economic freedom, insofar as I'm aware. Of course, it's important that we have a proper definition of freedom, and maybe that's from what our misalignment stems. If you define freedom as the state in which anyone can do anything that they want, as some anarchists would, then we are left with a state in which I can capture and enslave you. That doesn't actually sound very free. So, we have some ground rules which seek to maximize overall freedom by limiting some freedoms - the ground rules usually associated with capitalism are quite simple: You are free to do anything that you want so long as it does not include the initiation of force upon other people. That definition permits a ton of free actions on the part of individuals - more than any other system that I'm aware of.

                          Now, of course, some capitalist nations such as Singapore have extremely strict laws restricting freedoms - laws against pornography, for example. I would consider those sorts of laws both anti-capitalist and anti-freedom. The US prohibits all sorts of actions as well, from the consumption of certain substances to zoning laws. Again, I would consider those regulations anti-capitalist and anti-freedom. No nation is "perfectly capitalist," but some seem to be closer (the Netherlands, for example) to full capitalism and freedom than others (Singapore, for example). Of course, I'm including so-called social freedoms within the umbrella of freedoms protected in theory by capitalism, but I don't see any reason to seperate them, really.

                          In closing, can we now consider this thread officially hijacked?
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                          • #14
                            Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

                            You can ban art if it's being created on someone else's property without that permission. That's called vandalism. We've got a big problem with kids coming into my city from the suburbs and tagging things up.
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                            He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

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                            • #15
                              Re: Is it Graffiti or Tagging?

                              I would be pissed if someone tagged up my house. Although When I was coming up it gave me a sense of comfort if the right peoples names were on my building. Now anywhere I go, I can tell what kind of underground element is in the area by the work. Its a kind of graphology for me.

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