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    Anyone see the segment on Nightline tonight, about the vehicles Force Protection Inc. is building for the US Military.

    The Cougar and the Buffalo are based, in large part, on the Casspir and the Buffel, premier IFVs of the South African military and police forces from the late 70's onward. The chief scientist involved in developing the South African operational versions is now the CTO of this company who's vehicles are beginning to get traction with the US military in place of the fatally flawed HMMV.

    I have the dubious distinction of having spent quite some time in a Buffel, so, I can say with first hand experience, although they are not the most comfortable beasts out there. They are certainly amoungst the safest vehicles ever devised. I have friends that have directly survived AT mine blasts, with no more injury than some guy in the crew getting a broken ankle.


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    The Cougar and Buffalo are widely used in theater already. As with the RG31 which is made by a different manufacturer. Those vehicles are simply awesome, they save lives. Their “V-Hull” design directs blasts away from the passenger compartment and has saved countless lives after they ran over an IED. I agree the downside to them is comfort and modularity when it comes to configurations. To me none of that matters when they have a vehicle that does exactly what it claims to do…
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      The harsh reality is that the Stryker and M1A1 are horrific in an urban combat setting. One would think the planners at the Pentagon would have known and taken that into consideration but apprarently they decided it would be better to have our troops riding around getting shredded in Humvees. :(
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        Oh great. It probably downs gasoline/crude/lard like a man craving for water after 3 days in the desert.

        Can anyone say failed doom? Not to mention once it runs out of gas trying to flee from being destroyed by overwhelming forces, it becomes a immobile target!
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          Call me when we make a dropship.

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            Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
            Oh great. It probably downs gasoline/crude/lard like a man craving for water after 3 days in the desert.

            Can anyone say failed doom? Not to mention once it runs out of gas trying to flee from being destroyed by overwhelming forces, it becomes a immobile target!
            i would care less if it used 30 gallons to the mile if it saved 1 life....

            gas can be replaced,, lives cant.

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              Re: Vehicles that save lives...

              Originally posted by Cappy View Post
              gas can be replaced,, lives cant.
              Are you sure about that?

              I was under the impression that there's a finite amount of available petroleum, while I constantly remind my child to behave because I brought him into this world and I can take him out and make another one just like him if he's not careful.
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                Originally posted by CingularDuality View Post
                Are you sure about that?

                I was under the impression that there's a finite amount of available petroleum, while I constantly remind my child to behave because I brought him into this world and I can take him out and make another one just like him if he's not careful.

                But if our current war(s) are gonna be fought in oil rich countries does that matter?
                that sounds like a good idea trooper.
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                  Originally posted by Trooper[SNPR] View Post
                  But if our current war(s) are gonna be fought in oil rich countries does that matter?
                  Not to me! :icon_cool
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                    Originally posted by CingularDuality View Post
                    Are you sure about that?

                    I was under the impression that there's a finite amount of available petroleum, while I constantly remind my child to behave because I brought him into this world and I can take him out and make another one just like him if he's not careful.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Vehicles that save lives...

                      What exactly are the flaws of the HMMWV?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Vehicles that save lives...

                        Originally posted by secret.squirrul View Post
                        What exactly are the flaws of the HMMWV?
                        Big target
                        Doesnt really come with much or any armour, thats an "add on"

                        And its time to update the vehicles our troops are useing. Maybe something a little cheaper and better equiped. The hummer was designed for a european war, made just wide enough for the rail tunnels and streets.
                        that sounds like a good idea trooper.
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                          Re: Vehicles that save lives...

                          Originally posted by CingularDuality View Post
                          I constantly remind my child to behave because I brought him into this world and I can take him out and make another one just like him if he's not careful.
                          Dad?!
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