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  • ScratchMonkey
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    Anti-war Republican Presidential candidate

    Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has upset his fellow Republicans at the latest debate for opposing the war. He's been mischaracterized by Rudy Guliani and others as blaming "America" for the 9/11 attacks.

    Paul elaborates the next day in a CNN interview:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy4Eugc0Xls

    Fox coverage of the controversy:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273343,00.html

    The Michigan GOP leader wants Paul banned from future debates:

    http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michi...t=newsmichigan

    Commentators want Paul kept in:

    http://www.aim.org/aim_column/5466_0_3_0_C/
    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/18/martin/

    A Paul video called "Educating Rudy":

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQQ05XtAQ4

    Some information on Paul's campaign, particularly how difficult it is to finance and what he's doing about it:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273302,00.html

    Daily Ron Paul news blog (which reports that his Youtube channel has more subscribers than any other candidate, recently edging out Obama):

    http://www.ronpaul2008.typepad.com/

  • ScratchMonkey
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    Don't piss off stockholders! Fox News parent company sees stock price plummet:

    http://finance.google.com/group/goog...5d9e08edd073d4

    Fox now claims that they're excluding Paul because they can't fit him on the bus. Snort.

    http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/2008/...ul_lose_weight

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  • ScratchMonkey
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    Ron Paul banned from Fox News?

    http://action.downsizedc.org/wyc.php?cid=88

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  • ScratchMonkey
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    From c|net news:

    "They call him Dr. No for good reason"
    http://news.com.com/They+call+him+Dr..._3-940767.html

    The Texas Republican says his habitual votes against bigger government, including one he cast this week in opposition to a "morphed" child pornography bill, will preserve the vibrancy of America's technology industry.

    "The danger is that if they're allowed to get in the business of regulating the Internet, who knows what will happen next?" Paul said in an interview.

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  • Nikolas
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    Interesting:

    http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=43192

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  • ScratchMonkey
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    Originally posted by deathknight View Post
    i agree - i think government should do what we as private citizens cannot do such as regulate commerce, raise an army/navy, etc

    but the problem is that their always will be differences in opinions on where the line that should separate government influence from private life should be drawn
    Government is the sole entity that we allow to use force preemptively. All other entities in our society can, at best, use force legally only in self defense.

    So the question is what uses of preemptive force are acceptable? Is it ok to use preemptive force for social engineering, such as dealing with poverty or lack of education? Is it ok to use preemptive force to "tweak" the economy to make up for what one might think is an economic failure? (Example: Chrysler bail-out.) Many people seem to think so, and differ only in where they want to focus that force first.

    For me, the only acceptable use of force is self defense, to allow people to be left alone. (Admittedly this still leaves a lot of questions, and you can find libertarian journals full of analysis on how to apply this principle. It's a mistake to suggest that this prescription is "simple".)

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  • Nikolas
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    Originally posted by Steeler View Post
    Just in the past six years we've seen very graphically how a deadlocked and ineffective Congress can breed an environment where ideologues in the executive can manipulate our civic institutions to their own ends.

    Wha?

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  • deathknight
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    Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
    That it is the nature of government to try to micromanage us doesn't mean that it is necessary for it to do so.
    i agree - i think government should do what we as private citizens cannot do such as regulate commerce, raise an army/navy, etc

    but the problem is that their always will be differences in opinions on where the line that should separate government influence from private life should be drawn

    i don't mind government messing in my life to a degree as long as it does something useful but if you are a hard-working, tax paying, non wealthy, non-connected citizen the government does nothing for you

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  • Steeler
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    I have never understood this "libertarian" value of maintaining the status quo. Gridlock is good because it prevents government from doing harm? I thought that was a joke, but now I see it bandied about as actual policy. Just in the past six years we've seen very graphically how a deadlocked and ineffective Congress can breed an environment where ideologues in the executive can manipulate our civic institutions to their own ends.

    I would think that the goal would be to make all branches of government more responsive, more accountable to the citizenry.

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  • ScratchMonkey
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    Originally posted by deathknight View Post
    well if you haven't notice this country is seriously broken
    Yep, too many busybodies.

    i don't want government telling me what i can and can't do, it is necessary for government to do that, as that is the nature of government
    That it is the nature of government to try to micromanage us doesn't mean that it is necessary for it to do so.

    That it is the nature of wild animals to eat our babies doesn't mean that we must let them do so.

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  • deathknight
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    Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
    For some of us, "getting stuff done" is what we don't want. We like gridlock, because it keeps those busybodies from screwing us over with their interference.

    Clinton was successful at "working with a congress controlled by the opposite party" because they shared common ends: Messing with other people's lives. Their differences weren't in the overall goal, but on which part of our lives to focus on screwing up first.
    well if you haven't notice this country is seriously broken and while i don't want government telling me what i can and can't do, it is necessary for government to do that, as that is the nature of government

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  • TheFatKidDeath
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    Originally posted by Kerostasis View Post
    Hence why you presumably vote in the Democratic primary, rather than the Republican one?
    I'm equally disgusted with the Democratic party and to an extent the candidates and their positions, specifically, Iraq.

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  • Kerostasis
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    Hence why you presumably vote in the Democratic primary, rather than the Republican one?

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  • TheFatKidDeath
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    It's amazing, but not hardly surprisingly, to watch the Republican candidates try and out do each other on who is the most ignorant on foreign and domestic policy.

    It's a laughable assortment of clowns who have learned nothing from the last seven years.

    However, I would agree with Ron Paul and his view on Iraq. Ironically, it's a few Republicans that are taking charge and opposing this disaster called Iraq.

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  • ScratchMonkey
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    Originally posted by Aspie View Post
    His policies are impractical.
    Examples? Most libertarian positions (such as drug re-legalization) were considered fringe 30 years ago and now are considered legitimate positions.

    his supporters have earned him the reputation as an extremist with no respect for the political process.
    When you're disenfranchised by the "political process", you find some other way to be heard.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_Access_News
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_access

    I bring to attention the internet polls which have been repeatedly hacked and exploited by Paul supporters.
    Evidence?

    It looks to me more like Paul supporters are just more Internet-savvy and more likely to vote in Internet polls than their old-media competitors.

    I'd be much more inclined to think that the old parties are rigging actual elections. They already rig ballot access.

    I'd rather elect a good leader who has different views than someone of the same mind who could not handle office.
    Paul has been repeatedly re-elected to his Congressional seat, even after a run on the Libertarian ticket. Apparently his Texas constituents think he's qualified for office.

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