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    Does anyone even find this story remotely interesting? Or do you think this will just fizzle out?

    I heard about it on the radio this morning, and it immediately struck my interest. In Canada, whenever the separatist movement in Quebec (or too a much smaller degree the one out West) threatens to 'go it alone,' people go absolutely ape-s**t, and both sides bring out the old nationalist narratives to claim the other side is wrong, this makes me somewhat uncomfortable because I know almost all of these narratives are just that... narratives that are made to evoke certain patriotic sentiments, and often have very little reality to reflect other than sentiments that may lead to confrontation.

    So... now I see the ol' Green Mountain Independence movement, and the first thing I see is this recalling of the past republic that evokes certain sentiments, albeit they are stated to be explicitly peaceful.

    http://www.vermontrepublic.org/

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    Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

    Are those guys like the "Republic of Texas" wackos we had here a few years back?
    "Common sense is not so common." -Voltaire

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      I don't think its a big deal. I mean.....it's only Vermont.
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        Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

        Originally posted by War.mongeR1 View Post
        Are those guys like the "Republic of Texas" wackos we had here a few years back?
        Hey, at least Texas has NASA. What does Vermont have? Cheese?

        I love these idiots because they have no idea about the ramifications of an actual secession from the US economically. Texas would have had a better shot considering the base we have to work from, but even with that: no state could survive on it's own unless it's willing to just flatten all the cities and resort to farming.

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          Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

          Originally posted by TheFeniX View Post
          .. unless it's willing to just flatten all the cities and resort to farming.
          Vermont has cities? I know they have maple syrup, but cities? :icon7:
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            Well, in terms of defense, I think we all know the security situation would be something like this:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdzmJX6-3zA

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              Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

              Originally posted by TheFeniX View Post
              I love these idiots because they have no idea about the ramifications of an actual secession from the US economically. Texas would have had a better shot considering the base we have to work from, but even with that: no state could survive on it's own unless it's willing to just flatten all the cities and resort to farming.
              Why would secession require that they "go it alone"? The US is not an economic island, nor are most countries.

              The original purpose of the US was a defense pact. It had the additional virtue of outlawing the traditional trade barriers between countries, but one doesn't need everyone to be under one national government to eliminate trade barriers.

              Imagine if we could have the same open trade between countries (including trade in labor) that we enjoy between States.
              Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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                Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

                a state can't secede ... remember the civil war?

                they can talk all they want but they aren't going anywhere

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                  Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

                  Yep, the only way out is revolution. Which is why I mostly have no hope that we'll ever see true liberty again. We're on the slow fall to the civilization envisioned in Terry Gilliam's "Brazil".
                  Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

                  snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

                  Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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                    Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

                    to all you people from Texas:
                    you know what they say comes from Texas right?
                    Steers and xxxxxx!

                    These fools in that org. are mostly a bunch of left over dead head/phish heads still on drugs.
                    Don't blame the rest of us for their short commings.

                    "Vermont has cities?"
                    Burlington is the biggest. and IMO it sucks, Just like Rutland and Montpelier.

                    "Hey, at least Texas has NASA. What does Vermont have? Cheese?"
                    IBM's Main Chip Plant. and Wis. has cheese, not us.
                    Burton Snow Boards.
                    Where do you think "Ben & Jerrys ice cream" comes from?
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                      I hated that Costco stopped carrying Vermont extra sharp white cheddar. Now I have to suffer Tillamook or that Canadian stuff. What is that, seal cheese? ;)
                      Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

                      snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

                      Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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                        Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

                        Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
                        I hated that Costco stopped carrying Vermont extra sharp white cheddar. Now I have to suffer Tillamook or that Canadian stuff. What is that, seal cheese? ;)
                        God, I hate that I know this... but if you're getting cheese from Ontario it has to be pasturized so it doesn't have the bacterial cultures cheese needs to taste good. Man, I feel like Cliff Clavin sometimes, all this friggen useless knowledge... I could use another beer.

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                          Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

                          The idea that Vermont would be an independent nation is laughable. Firstly, I seriously doubt that even with the combined resources of Maple Syrup, Cheese, Ice Cream, Snowboards and the IBM Plant that they could survive financially as an independent nation when faced with the taxes and tariffs that other nations are faced with. In addition, they would be the laughingstock of the international community as they had decided to part ways with the US and wouldnt be taken seriously.

                          In addition, I'm about 99.9 percent sure that the US wouldnt let vermont secede from the union. Remember what happened last time some states tried that? Oh yeah, the Civil War. Now, I doubt that we'd declare war on vermont, but god help them if we did. You think the hippies would last long against a national guard regiment (which is vastly more than it would take. I think one swat team unit from NYC would do the trick)? It'd be a battle of minutes.

                          I think its quite funny as a joke, but nothing that anyone could really take seriously.

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                            Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

                            Originally posted by sgt fetterman View Post
                            to all you people from Texas:
                            you know what they say comes from Texas right?
                            Steers and xxxxxx!
                            When Lee Ermey screams it into the face of a Marine Recruit: that's actually funny.
                            When other people thinks it's some kind of insult.... it just reminds me of people who go around screaming catch-phrases from the Dave Chapelle show.

                            Basically: they fail.

                            IBM's Main Chip Plant. and Wis. has cheese, not us.
                            Burton Snow Boards.
                            Where do you think "Ben & Jerrys ice cream" comes from?
                            The hilarity of comparing a flat piece of wood and a sugar/milk concoction to an agency designed to send people into outer-space aside: You need to learn what a joke is.

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                              Re: The Second Republic of Vermont?

                              Originally posted by Ferris Bueller View Post
                              The idea that Vermont would be an independent nation is laughable. Firstly, I seriously doubt that even with the combined resources of Maple Syrup, Cheese, Ice Cream, Snowboards and the IBM Plant that they could survive financially as an independent nation when faced with the taxes and tariffs that other nations are faced with.
                              Yep. Just like Switzerland, which exports chocolate and watches, and Monaco (what do they make again?) are laughable as independent countries.

                              In addition, I'm about 99.9 percent sure that the US wouldnt let vermont secede from the union. Remember what happened last time some states tried that? Oh yeah, the Civil War. Now, I doubt that we'd declare war on vermont, but god help them if we did. You think the hippies would last long against a national guard regiment (which is vastly more than it would take. I think one swat team unit from NYC would do the trick)? It'd be a battle of minutes.
                              If you hate the hippies of Vermont so much, why keep them as part of your country?

                              Funny, I always associate secession with the ultra-right, not the ultra-left. You know, the guys who want out from under Big Centralized Government. Like the Kurds and the Ukranians and Tibet.

                              I'd much rather see California and New York secede. Throw in DC, and call the resulting country New Sweden. A socialist paradise.
                              Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

                              snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

                              Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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