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    Declaration of the "True American Dream"



    We the people, Long live Liberty, Freedom and Peace to all Kind, and Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself. These are a few quotes and figurative speech that have survived from the most recent to centuries ago. They come from either the unification of a country, a famous person, or even a song. These sayings are all from different societies asking for one thing. Freedom, Peace, Equal treatment, and fairness and love to all. The research topic I will be investigating. Is how that even though there is a goal wanted to be achieved by mankind, and ask how it has failed? The questions that must be asked are many but not so far and few between. The biggest question you must ask yourself is this… Is society through all the advances the rules and regulations, the religions the assimilation of many cultures into one, be ready to UNITE and consider themselves as one, as an American?

    I mention the part above to mention this part. Hypothetically eliminating the idea of the "minority", "sex discrimination", color, race, or creed that in the United States of America that everyone is considered one, taking away the identity racism but allowing those to believe in what they believe without being judged.[1] "W.E.B. DuBois argued that racialism is the belief that differences between the races exist, be they biological, social, psychological, or in the realm of the soul. He then went on to argue that racism is using this belief to push forward the argument that one's particular race is superior to the others." As the above paragraph it is believed by some that it is a state of mans nature alone to use racialism. I think though that if you are to use the idea that all Americans are one race regardless to gender or ethnic background. That you could in a sense give a logical reason to W.E.B. DuBois aurgument that the idea of a greater achievement of many men or women., can prove if unity by one goal that the idea is dissolved and everyone is looked at one. A grea thing about researching something for a better common goal of man is that. It is all around you and if you make sense people are willing to talk to you open and freely about the conversation. I did ask a complete stranger he was a African/Puerto Rican American. He was in my mothers home working on her cable. I informed him of a paper I had to write and told him my ideas and what he thought. Before I go on about our conversation,. I want to inform you that my mother was not in the room. When my mother re entered the room she heard me talking about minorites and she quickly walked away. When I asked her later why she did what she did. She did it because it was uncomfortable of what she heard not grasping the whole idea of the story. I metnioned that to to this gentleman who was in the room with me. We agreed that most people are intimidated on racial conversation when the other race is about. Another thought if you considered everyone an American would you still have that problem? I asked how he felt how minorites try to separate themselves from Americans by making policies to change launguages, so they can understand what is written or said even though they cannot speak English? He disagreed, I asked him do you feel that if you are in this country should you kow the countries launguage and assimialte your lifestyle towards it and not against it? To this he also agreed. During the conversation we talked about going to other counrties. In another country when somone asks you what you are what do you tell them? He said " I am a American" . Then something hit me so I turned the question back to him real fast and said. " Why is it in other countries we are proud of America and claim ourselves Americans, but if asked in our own home we willfully tell people of our decent. Such as Irish, Jewish, African, Latino etc…. However we fail in the conversation to say im an American." At the end of that conversation we no longer looked at each other as black or white. We saw each other as Americans. We saw a dream to unite not a few but many. I think within all our hearts that this reasearch is not only about whats in books or the past, but how to get many societies in a Great Society to join as one. For it seems that if this does not occur that the greater society will fail as a whole and everyone will go back in history and play back what our forefathers taught us better to not to do.

    Christopher Green
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    [1] Object was copied 3nd paragraph down from the Wikipedia website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

    I hope what you read in this you see the dream that I have and have shared with many before me. I dont want you to misinterprete this, as I dont want everyone to lose there personal identity by no means I dont. I want everyone to love and cherish there "heritage" but recognizing that being born in America makes you an American, and that makes your American blood seem realistic and proud to have.Just like if you were born in Ireland you would be Irish. Born in China Chinese so on so forth. What I am saying with this day and age with the integration of American society working more closely together. That things should now be completly fair amongst all Americans. Ill say it like this to get to the point, and alot of you might not agree with this, but if we dont do such things there will be another civil war, but not a war of state vs state but race vs race.
    Lets put some things on the table im sure we can argue till blue in the face but if I was in charge this is what I would change. Are you ready?
    There will be no specialized race colleges.
    There will be no Affirmitive action because we are all Americans.
    There will no longer be Indian reservations for they are born on American soil regardless of if they were here first there will be absolutly no segregation within the country.
    There will be no special grants because your a woman, white, black, or any race or sex.
    This may sound communistic but by far it is not. The freedoms are there. You wont be persecuted just because you celebrate Hannukah, Kwanza, or Christmas. Your respecting your heritage, but forthmost you are treated no different than anyone else. Why? Because someone finally put in a bill that said whats fair is fair and as long as your born here you are no different than the other. No more tax breaks, no more resentment just because someone gets special treatment because there a different race or gender.
    This is just my thoughts and though people say what I want is impossible I say this " Any person's whose voice is heard by the majority, can and if wills, change the world".

    Side notes lets say if I was ever in charge,
    I would close off alot of Foreign trade into our country allowing the American society to rebuild itself from within without depending on foreign countries.

    I would also create Medical Care for all Americans so our families dont have to suffer so much for past bills from illnesses, in my opinion if we live in a great country with great leaders then it is left up to the leaders to ensure the lives and wellness of there beloved country be on the goverments shoulders and not the mothers and fathers and elderly whom worked all there lives for this country.

    Social Security will stand and never run out.

    Above all We would all be the same, we would treat each other the same, we would welcome everyone in our home as if we had the same mother. This is an America that I want to live in.......because the America I live in now is dying.
    Thats my opinion thanks for reading it
    Christopher Green

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    Re: My American Dream "The dissolving of the minority"

    I read through the bulk of what you wrote and agree that those are high ideals and a worthy thing (End Race hyphenation, eliminate racial differences, gender differences). I do want to point out that Indian Reservations will likely continue as they are considered separate nations within the US. I disagree on the Social Security and medical care for all as I don't believe that is the Federal Government's business to be in.

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      Re: My American Dream "The dissolving of the minority"

      Very well written premise.

      I think it is inherent in human nature to notice differences in each other. Not always to say "This is why I'm better than you" or to be racist, or sexist, or to discriminate. It's how we differentiate different people. I look different than other people of my race, hence the people who know me can recognize me when they see me. You might want to consider that in your research and see what you can come up with how that factors in to your idea. Perhaps not.

      Another thing I would think to consider is how, if we no longer noticed different races, would you feel that something else would replace that as the criteria for people to discriminate? Would it become intelligence? Hair color? Eye color? Height? I'm interested to see what you come up with.

      I don't think your premise is flawed or that what you hope to happen is wrong, I just believe that there will always be different value systems to determine what is good or bad, and there will always be disagreement as to what each person believes are good and bad value systems.

      As Conan once said when asked what is best in life, "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of the women."

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        Re: My American Dream "The dissolving of the minority"

        Great post/paper! I'm with Lucky on the Indian Res thing, and the medical plan/Social Security thing, though.

        I grew up in Southern California. Race was never a big deal to me. I never met anyone that ever said anything that I recognized as overtly racist until I joined the Marines and started working with people from all over the country. This could be because I was young and immature and didn't recognize comments as being racist, but now that I live in the Dallas, TX area, I know that I grew up in an area that didn't have a significant race problem. I grew up in lower middle class neighborhoods, amongst people of all colors. Likewise, there were rich neighborhoods in California with people of all colors. In Dallas, there are black neighborhoods with people of all incomes, white neighborhoods with rich and poor white folks, and hispanic neighborhoods with mansions built just blocks away from dilapidated homes. It's a culture shock to me to hear people talk about race like it's something that actually indicates anything at all about the person. It's disgusting, IMO.

        Originally posted by deathknight View Post
        Another thing I would think to consider is how, if we no longer noticed different races, would you feel that something else would replace that as the criteria for people to discriminate? Would it become intelligence? Hair color? Eye color? Height? I'm interested to see what you come up with.
        Why do we have to discriminate based on things over which people have no control? Why can't we evaluate people based on what we know about them? I've talked about prejudice here before, and how it can be a valuable attribute, but racial prejudice, or hair color prejudice, or height prejudice certainly offer little value to anyone. How about we consider how hard someone works or how friendly and personable they are? What would our world be like if we considered people's true value to society instead of considering silly things like their appearance?
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          Re: My American Dream "The dissolving of the minority"

          Great post!
          I disagree with my fellow TGers on one point. I think healthcare is the greatest problem in this country. I work in the medical field and the insurance companies and doctors are squeezing the patients literally to death. It's incredibly heart breaking to see someone not get the treatment they need because the insurance company denies them for no reason and they die. You never hear about it because they don't have a platform. I see people die, suffering, crippled all for what? The insurance companies have no interest in the patients welfare and focus on maximizing profit. It's getting progressively worse every year, heathcare doesn't belong in the wild west of corporate America. It's the same as privatizing the police and then saying to a 911 caller, oh we can't send any police over because we don't cover burglerys because you live in a bad neighborhood. Is there any excuse to deny someone coverage and let them die?

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            Re: My American Dream "The dissolving of the minority"

            This may be off topic but don't forget weight discrimination? People are discriminated against, looked down on and laughed at everyday if they are fat no matter what race they are. I don't want to give my views on this but it is something for you to think about.

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              Re: My American Dream "The dissolving of the minority"

              Something I want to say about "affirmative action". There are two (2) affirmative actions. 1) The first is for those of us who are minorities. 2) The second is for the wealthy and prestigious.

              So in the above where it says: "There will be no affirmative action because we are all Americans." To which affirmative action is it refering to? The one for the minorities to give us a fighting chance against the wealthy's affirmative action?


              On Social Security:

              SS (Social Security) was never meant to last beyond President Roosevelt's presidency. He never meant for SS to become what it has in part become: welfare. He didn't want Americans to rely upon SS for their needs. It was only meant to help those who were not so fortunate during the Great Depression.

              So in a way, we have become dependant on SS. At the same time, we don't want to see it disappear because of our capitalist society. If we do want SS, then it can't be the SS of today. Instead we should have some sort of partially government funded IRA and 403K for our citizens. It shouldn't be welfare for some of our citizens. Welfare doesn't help most. Welfare just turns most into lazy bums who expect and even demand the government paychecks. They then turn around and sit at home, don't bother to get a job, and expect the government to sustain them financially (and otherwise even) for the rest of their natural lives.
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                Re: My American Dream "The dissolving of the minority"

                Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
                Something I want to say about "affirmative action". There are two (2) affirmative actions. 1) The first is for those of us who are minorities. 2) The second is for the wealthy and prestigious.
                I have no idea what you're referring to in number 2. When someone says "affirmative action", I think that most people think of quotas or goals for minorities and women in university and job applications.
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                  Originally posted by Chiefmedicman View Post
                  You wont be persecuted just because you celebrate Hannukah, Kwanza, or Christmas.
                  Interesting that you should mention Kwanzaa, the "holiday for black people to celebrate to show they are different than those white people who celebrate white holidays". How exactly does that fit into your non-racialism worldview?

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                    Originally posted by CingularDuality View Post
                    Why do we have to discriminate based on things over which people have no control? Why can't we evaluate people based on what we know about them? I've talked about prejudice here before, and how it can be a valuable attribute, but racial prejudice, or hair color prejudice, or height prejudice certainly offer little value to anyone. How about we consider how hard someone works or how friendly and personable they are? What would our world be like if we considered people's true value to society instead of considering silly things like their appearance?
                    I didn't say we shouldn't gauge a person based on character. What I am saying is that people notice differences, it is just human nature. And some people will always use those differences to judge a person.

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                      Re: My American Dream "The dissolving of the minority"

                      Originally posted by Acreo Aeneas View Post
                      Something I want to say about "affirmative action". There are two (2) affirmative actions. 1) The first is for those of us who are minorities. 2) The second is for the wealthy and prestigious.
                      I disagree with your idea that there are two affirmative actions. Of course, the wealthy have more power and influence in society. Always have. Probably always will.

                      But I think his point is that affirmative action will no longer be needed because in his American Dream, someone is not judged on the color of their skin thus noone is denied access to jobs, education, restaurants, etc. based upon skin color thus affirmative action is no longer necessary.

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                        Re: My American Dream "The dissolving of the minority"

                        You know im sure you guys have been awaiting my reply so ill go from here.
                        First off this quote
                        Originally posted by Kerostasis View Post
                        Interesting that you should mention Kwanzaa, the "holiday for black people to celebrate to show they are different than those white people who celebrate white holidays". How exactly does that fit into your non-racialism worldview?
                        I was just referring to different cultures. Saying that you can still celebrate your heritage without discrimination. The whole point of what I wrote was this. Were all Americans. I know it might sound corny to some, but thats what it is were all Americans. Overlooking what color they are or what they belive in. Ill say it like this, I have christian values were there are some things on a Christian point of view that I just dont agree with. However this country was based on Freedoms and even though religiously I cant or dont agree with it, politically I cant really tell someone no they cant do that for its not my place or what the country was founded after.

                        Secondly as far as discriptive adjectives, well you cant avoid that. If your trying to describe someone by saying it was the tall black guy, your not being racist in any way your just being descriptive.

                        Third Social Security
                        Right now I am disabled and I collect Social Security. I collect it off disability for which one day I will be healed and return back to work and get off it. Everyday im on it though I strive to better myself and my health and it has made me realize how important that it is not just for me, but for our country. You talk about how 401k or other retirement options. Well ive worked were no retirement options were available at all. I couldnt save money because all of it went straight to bills. I see it as yes it is taken out of our paychecks, but one day we will be old, we will be unable to work, and the only thing that we have left is what Social Security provides for the elderly or sick. I think you misunderstand Social Security. One day you might need it and you'll look back at your post and go man I understand how important it really is.

                        Medical for all by the government.
                        You keep saying I disagree I disagree, well I dont. I agree with what the others posted about how it hurts families, but did you know that most Americans are already on a Goverment funded medical assistance in America already? I think we always think about ourselves and not so much our future, especially our children. When I write things I write things that I notice that are wrongs of today and hopefully a right for the future for others. For people to go to the hospital because there sick and not scared of a bill well that should be what we respect. Your not even talking about tests that some doctors do that are unncessary and your still charged for it? Did you know most ambulance rides alone are 500$ ?

                        Affirmative action.
                        I spoke of affirmative action as being this day and age our buisnesses are very diverse. We even have a woman and a black man running for president. To get rid of affirmative actions is just another way to get rid of "Political Discrimination" this would finnaly allow the right individuals who trained longer or harder who truly deserve the job rather than because of there race.

                        Indians
                        You know my grandmother threw a fit when I spoke about the Indian natioin for we have Native American blood runnign through our family and she made me very aware of that, that day. However no matter how thin or thick it is in the blood im talking about a purely United Nation of America were nobody gets anymore privledges than the other. Letting go of the past and moving on the a better future thats what I preach, and pray for. Would all this be a pipe dream? I dont think so. Will it be hard? Absolutly there is a ton of hate still lingereing and grudges. However some things if you leave up to individual people will never be changed, but if someone said this is how it will be and enforce it then all will change.

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