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    Remember those guys that show up at soldiers' funerals with signs that say things like, "God hates fags" and "Thank God for IED's"? They got it stuck to 'em.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/31/fun...est/index.html
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    Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

    'Circus of hate' is a great description of these activities. It's a shame that people can become so twisted over religious beliefs. I'd say that justice was served here.

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    • #3
      Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

      I don't think these knuckleheads have any money and it doesn't sound like they will stop the protests. I'm surprised some military folk haven't gotten together and layed the smackdown on these people.

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      • #4
        Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

        Well, I'd love to see these folks crawl back under a rock but I suspect this case isn't over. I understand the jury's decision but I don't think it will hold.

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        • #5
          Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

          I thought it was amusing that their reponse to the court ruling was to make another poster. I think their protest budget is somewhere around $50 worth of supplies from Home Depot, so I'm with Hambergler that they probably don't have any money to pay the judgment anyway. Then again, they did manage to hire a lawyer, so who knows.

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          • #6
            Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

            Awesome, I'm all for people who say offensive things being fined outrageous sums of money.
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            • #7
              Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

              Originally posted by Kerostasis View Post
              Then again, they did manage to hire a lawyer, so who knows.
              The lawyer was Phelps (the preacher) daughter. Hopefully, this award will stick, and take away some of their travel budget.
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                Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

                Originally posted by AMosely View Post
                'Circus of hate' is a great description of these activities. It's a shame that people can become so twisted over religious beliefs. I'd say that justice was served here.
                I seriously doubt Phelps has any actual concern with Christianity, Gays, or anything like that. They seem solely interested in the notion that "There's no such thing as bad publicity." Would we even know the name "Phelps" if he was just standing outside a gay bar? No. People are mad because they picket solider funerals.

                These people aren't insane degenerates. In interviews and street meetings when they aren't "on the clock," they act like completely normal people and don't even bring up anything concerning their protests. In fact, they've had decent conversations with openly gay people without any care of their sexual orientation.

                No, they are whores to the Gods of money and fame only.

                Originally posted by xTYBALTx View Post
                Awesome, I'm all for people who say offensive things being fined outrageous sums of money.
                And how do you define offensive?

                Don't get me wrong, these people are scum of the lowest order. But exactly where is the line drawn for offensive speech? And what speech needs protection?

                Popular speech doesn't need to be protected, 99% of Americans aren't going to try and stop you from saying "Support the troops" or "I love America."

                Fortunately, I doubt this would have even made it to trial in a criminal case. The civil court has a much lower standard when it comes to that. So, if you can't arrest them, just make sure anyone you don't agree with will at least keep their mouth shut for fear of being ruined financially.

                I don't like the precedent this sets at all, even if the people it's being set for are the lowest of the low. I actually hope this is overturned on appeal, because it's a serious first amendment issue.

                Imagine family members of murdered people picketing the funeral of the serial killer in a completely legal fashion. Now imagine those people being financially ruined because the mother of the murderer decided to sue. Does that put it in perspective?

                Free speech done in a legal fashion (as the Phelps painstakingly plan) should not be legally actionable.

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                • #9
                  Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

                  I was being sarcastic :]
                  A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek

                  "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

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                  • #10
                    Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

                    Originally posted by xTYBALTx View Post
                    I was being sarcastic :]
                    Sorry, with text it's notoriously difficult to determine when sarcasm is present.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

                      Yeah, I was hoping someone would come in and voice their agreement with my sarcastic statement. :]
                      A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek

                      "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

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                      • #12
                        Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

                        I think there's wiggle room in this issue. The Phelps certainly have the right to protest the government, but they don't have the right to protest my daughter's birthday party, my golf game, or my son's funeral. Right? They have the right to rally against the government but of all the people on the planet who have the right to be left alone surely it's parents and children and spouses burying their loved ones.

                        I don't think the Church should have to pay unless they violated an existing law, and I don't see how I can invade someone's privacy when they're in a motorcade on a public road with a police escort. However, I also wouldn't be against a SCOTUS interpretation of this matter that gave us a solution that a) allowed for free public protests against the government and b) provided some decency for families at funerals.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

                          "The First Amendment exists to insure that freedom of speech and expression applies not just to that with which we agree or disagree, but also that which we find outrageous."

                          -Colin Powell
                          A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek

                          "$250,000 a year won't get me to Central Park West."

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                          • #14
                            Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

                            The ruling is just, even if the punishment seems extreme. I expect that $10.9 million to drop down at some point in the coming months. A lot of these jury prizes don't stand up to further judicial oversight.
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                              Re: Church that lead anti-gay protests at solders' funerals ordered to pay $10.9m

                              Originally posted by Steeler View Post
                              The ruling is just, even if the punishment seems extreme. I expect that $10.9 million to drop down at some point in the coming months. A lot of these jury prizes don't stand up to further judicial oversight.
                              It may be just, but I don't think it's constitutional.

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