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  • leejo
    started a topic Ingrate of the year award

    Ingrate of the year award

    Ok, I'm sure this article will be unpopular with some, and I guess I'd be curious to know your thoughts countering the writer's claims, but my main point in posting this is the astonishing (to me) things that came out of the Iraqi soccer team's mouths.

    from http://www.townhall.com/columnists/d...20040831.shtml

    This year's Ingrate of the Year Award goes to...
    Dennis Prager
    August 31, 2004


    Of all the ugly human traits, ingratitude -- the refusal to acknowledge the good that has been done for us -- is probably the ugliest.

    Yet its awfulness is only exceeded by its ubiquity. In fact, it is ingratitude that characterizes much of the world's -- including many Americans' -- attitude toward the United States.

    Think about it. Without America:

    The world would collapse into economic and moral chaos. Cruelty and economic depression would dominate the planet. Vast unemployment and social dislocation would ensue, followed by various forms of secular and religious totalitarianism.

    No one would stop the Chinese from conquering Taiwan.

    No one would come to Israel's aid when Iran and other Muslim states attempted to destroy that country.

    No one would come to South Korea's aid as North Korea invaded and probably prevailed over South Korea, making it a formidable Stalinist force in East Asia.

    Japan would rearm and probably seek nuclear weapons to counter emboldened Korea and China.

    Russia would probably recommence imposing its will on its neighbors.

    Islamic terrorism would increase exponentially -- everywhere, including inside Europe -- as its only real opposition disappeared.

    It is American idealism coupled with its dominant economic and military power that alone prevents evil from drowning the world. The many fools of the Left who devote their lives to curbing American power -- from those who manage editorial pages and the news media, to the academics who warn generations of students against American power, to leftist billionaires like George Soros -- do not understand this.

    The world's nations should be thanking God or whatever they believe in for America. Instead, most of them celebrate the United Nations, which actually abets evil and increases human suffering.

    To highlight this phenomenon, I propose giving an annual Ingrate of the Year Award to some particularly ungrateful group, country, organization or individual.

    In most years, South Korean politicians, journalists and students win the award without much competition. It is, after all, difficult to match their level of ingratitude.

    Tens of thousands of Americans died and many more were maimed in order to keep the southern half of the Korean peninsula from falling under one of the most grotesquely cruel regimes in human history. And American troops remain in South Korea to protect it from an invasion by the psychopaths who run the North Korean concentration camps. Yet South Korean journalists, politicians and students vie with one another to see who can most articulately condemn America. If there is a national parallel to South Korean ingratitude to America, I am unaware of it.

    But this year, those South Koreans must share the Ingrate Award with the Iraqi Olympic soccer team.

    Remember that under Saddam Hussein, not only were Iraqis not free, athletes were singled out for torture. It was Uday Hussein, the sadistic sociopath son of Saddam, who headed the Iraqi Olympic Committee, and it was his policy to torture -- real torture, not American detainee abuse -- Iraqi athletes who did not perform successfully in international competitions.

    Yet, when asked about their newfound freedom, the Iraqi athletes showered contempt on the country which, through tremendous human and monetary sacrifice, made it possible for them to compete in Athens after being banned from international competition in the last years of Saddam and Uday's rule.

    Ahmed Al-Samarri, Iraq's Olympic Committee president, acknowledged this when he said: "Women's sports started from ground zero here because of the previous regime, which had abused many, many girls who wish to practice or join sports."

    Yet, the one Iraqi woman athlete at the Athens Olympics, Ala'a Jassim, told American reporters that the American invasion of Iraq "was a very bad idea."

    Likewise, Ahmad Manajid, a midfielder for the Iraqi soccer team, when asked about a pro-Bush ad that shows the Iraqi soccer team playing as free men, asked reporters, "How will he (Bush) meet his God having slaughtered so many men and women?" According to Sports Illustrated, he added that he would be killing Americans in Iraq if he were not playing soccer.

    "There is so much hate on this team for America," said Bernd Stange, the German who coached the Iraqi team until he resigned in July.

    One great lesson of American history is that one does good in this world because it is right to do good, not because the recipients will be grateful. We Americans must therefore never judge the rightness of our actions on how much gratitude or censure we receive. So long as we remain the most blessed country on earth, it is our duty to do as much good as we can. In fact, if we don't, we will cease to be blessed.

    But the ingrates still deserve the contempt of decent people.

  • CingularDuality
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    Re: Ingrate of the year award

    Originally posted by DudeMan
    like i care, he wants to go around bad m,outhing people, when ionfact if memory serves him i helped him out in that department.

    ofcourse next time ill shut the **** up and let people do as they please.
    C'mon, man, he wasn't bad mouthing you so much as he was explaining to Turbinator that you weren't really getting upset over this discussion even though you seemed like you were.

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  • DudeMan
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    Originally posted by CingularDuality
    I believe Wolfie has just made his point...

    like i care, he wants to go around bad m,outhing people, when ionfact if memory serves him i helped him out in that department.

    ofcourse next time ill shut the **** up and let people do as they please.

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  • CingularDuality
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    Originally posted by DudeMan
    why dont you shut up wolfie,

    no need for that ****, dont tell people to ignore me,

    ffs what gives you the .. **** this man
    I believe Wolfie has just made his point...

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  • DudeMan
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    Originally posted by Wolfie
    Dudeman always seems to have his panties in a bunch about something, just ignore him for the most part.

    why dont you shut up wolfie,

    no need for that ****, dont tell people to ignore me,

    ffs what gives you the .. **** this man

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  • DudeMan
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    so all you have to do turbinator is change every human being from one of their most ingrained (lets face it part of our nature) greed to be a better world.

    rigggght, and this experiment has worked where.

    socialism whilst having good intentions is a farce, and communism a pipe dream.

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  • Turbinator
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    hehe alright.

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  • Wolfie
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    Originally posted by Turbinator
    dudeman appears to be aggetated abit it seems.
    Dudeman always seems to have his panties in a bunch about something, just ignore him for the most part.

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  • Turbinator
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    dudeman appears to be aggetated abit it seems.


    But thanks on that comment :). On that note, welcome to continue :). That is if there is anything else to say that i did not cover in the response for dudeman.

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  • =DdogG=
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    actually, I enjoy seeing your perspective on these topics. I would never think along the same lines, and hearing a fresh perspective is thought provoking to say the least.

    I dont think anyone is getting out of hand, and if everyone is like me, they are eager to hear about life in a socialist regime. I dont think anyone else here has been subject to this environment.

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  • Turbinator
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    Gentlemen,

    Lets not escalate this any further. All started from me correcting fenix about a comment on tanks.

    Now its getting political, and that we all know, that does not get anywhere, like religion, people dont talk about it, cause most cant agree on it.

    IF democrats and republicans cant agree on things, how can a socialist agree with a capitalist :icon_wink

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  • Turbinator
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    Originally posted by DudeMan
    russia was not better than the US it was flawed i9n so many ways. it put up a persona and overspent on its military and in the end had to effectivly go bust.

    on the other hand it could do little else because the US and other nations would not have let the Soviet Union be, anyhow.

    but i think history has proved that infact the russian military whilst cutting edge could not have sustained much real conflict and the US could.

    the only reason the soviet Union was given any respect, or fear was because they had a large number of nukes.
    never have I said that it was. Overspent on military? then you would agree that US did and doing so too?

    It vent bust, not for spending on military but the humangous change in financial structure, from EVERYTHING owned by the GORvement, to privatization, Capitalism.
    Imagine US Goverment does the development for all of its military technology, no need to settle the bill with corporations. $270 billion bux saved instead of spent.
    Imagine ~$15 billion dollars that NASA spends on contractors and such, is taken care of by the goverment instead, meaning companies that NASA is outsourcing too is owned by the goverment therefore there is no need for capital expense like there is now. Now by that I do not mean that there is no cost associated with creating shuttles at all, or other equipment, simply because its owned and operated by the goverment, but costs are second to none compared to having private companies making and bulding components for you.

    Up to this day even CIA does not know how much Soviets spent on their military, they could be guessing, simply by knowing wat US military was spending during those years, give or take a billion.


    Originally posted by DudeMan
    on the other hand it could do little else because the US and other nations would not have let the Soviet Union be.
    only one thing i can tell you here, people are driven by greed, all the west had to do is appeal to their weakness, their (leaders of eastern countries), weakness= power and money. All you need to do is convice each leader, tell them you will be the president of the country, leader of "free" world.

    Most people easpecially those on top positions, those that do not lead but 2nd in rank rather, always want an opportunity to lead=personal gain, individualism, so ofcourse for them it sounds beautifull. THose that suffer are peopl that were born and raised on ideals of socialism.

    One more thing id like to note, all that i said above will not make sence to you, and its only for one reason, u never lived in a socialistic country, during the years of socialism/communism.

    :icon7:
    Last edited by Turbinator; 09-03-2004, 01:46 AM.

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  • Turbinator
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    Originally posted by Wolfie
    The US has lost the USS Thresher and the USS Scorpion. Thresher was lost during exercises to determine her seaworthyness while the cause for the Scorpion to be lost was never determined.

    http://www.subnet.com/fleet/ssn593.htm

    http://www.txoilgas.com/589.html

    There have been 5 nuclear submarines sunk, 3 of Russia's and 2 of the United States

    right these are the ones i ment, wasnt sure about US 1or2.

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  • Turbinator
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    Originally posted by =DdogG=
    but no evidence of the nuclear core meltdown. the soviets have had recorded events of meldown or near meltdown. 3 mi island has been the only recorded screwup in american history and it was not military. or am I wrong?

    edit.

    a link to every nuclear incident in US history

    http://www.lutins.org/nukes.html

    my appologies. there seems to be a whole lot of them.


    but no ship since 1978 has seen an accident involving nuclear material. most of the other incidents were non military. there are some pretty good screwups in there though.


    here's a good list of the world....
    http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/...nob/rep02.html

    an a list of soviet screwups....
    (just subs)... http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe...ne.history.ap/

    so, without having the freedom of speech that america enjoys, it is hard to find all of the issues thatr happened in soviet russia... I would consder them much higher since this is the ones that the world found out about.
    highly doubt it, if the west knows about the 3 subs in the atlantic, then thats all there is. But then again cover up is the best skill of KGB, and cia alike :)

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  • =DdogG=
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    but no evidence of the nuclear core meltdown. the soviets have had recorded events of meldown or near meltdown. 3 mi island has been the only recorded screwup in american history and it was not military. or am I wrong?

    edit.

    a link to every nuclear incident in US history

    http://www.lutins.org/nukes.html

    my appologies. there seems to be a whole lot of them.


    but no ship since 1978 has seen an accident involving nuclear material. most of the other incidents were non military. there are some pretty good screwups in there though.


    here's a good list of the world....
    http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/...nob/rep02.html

    an a list of soviet screwups....
    (just subs)... http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe...ne.history.ap/

    so, without having the freedom of speech that america enjoys, it is hard to find all of the issues thatr happened in soviet russia... I would consder them much higher since this is the ones that the world found out about.
    Last edited by =DdogG=; 09-02-2004, 08:37 PM.

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