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    I just realized that i typed too quickly and my work keyboard is old and not functioning well, so the title is not what it is supposed to be, if you can get past that, well then we can all comment and share our own interpretations on this little piece of picture bliss.

    Gringo, and switch i am awaiting your comments on this....liberals where are you?? Switchcraft, people comment on this let me know your thoughts.

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    Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

    Thats kinda hard to interpret, if I had to make a guess I would say the following;

    War is Peace: Since War is human nature, and if we're at war then we are doing what is normal to us and are at peace with our state of mind?

    Freedom is Slavery: Since if we are all free we are slaves to ourself, we would be lost since we would not know what to do since no one would be telling us to do anything?

    Ignorance is Strength: Better to be Ignorant and happy then to know everything and be sad with what you know, since the world is a crappy place to live?



    Thats just my best interpretation with just looking at it for 2 minutes. I would love to know what other people think of it without looking at everyone else's interpretation so they aren't influenced by anyone else.

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    • #3
      Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

      It's propaganda.

      QED

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      • #4
        Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

        Its the official propaganda line from the bad guys in George Orwell's 1984 dystopia novel.

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        • #5
          Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

          We know its propaganda, but what do you think it means though?

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          • #6
            Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

            Exactly. What is the discussion here?

            EDIT: It is about the government convincing the people that what is true is not. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Opposites of the truth.

            An example of that is that still today, even though the 'truth' has been disproven, a large percentage of Americans still believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.

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            • #7
              Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

              Originally posted by Tempus View Post
              Exactly. What is the discussion here?
              I thought it was what we thought it meant, but I guess not. I got better propaganda anyway, like the following;


              Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
              Through passion, I gain strength.
              Through strength, I gain power.
              Through power, I gain victory.
              Through victory, my chains are broken.
              The Force shall free me.

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              • #8
                Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

                Originally posted by Delta*RandyShugart* View Post
                I just realized that i typed too quickly and my work keyboard is old and not functioning well, so the title is not what it is supposed to be, if you can get past that, well then we can all comment and share our own interpretations on this little piece of picture bliss.

                Gringo, and switch i am awaiting your comments on this....liberals where are you?? Switchcraft, people comment on this let me know your thoughts.
                Please, define "Liberal".
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                • #9
                  Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

                  Originally posted by Tempus View Post
                  Exactly. What is the discussion here?

                  EDIT: It is about the government convincing the people that what is true is not. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Opposites of the truth.

                  An example of that is that still today, even though the 'truth' has been disproven, a large percentage of Americans still believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
                  I couldn't have interpreted the passage, or this thread better.

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                  • #10
                    Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

                    Propaganda doesn't mean anything, and it's not supposed to.

                    A meaningful statement of opinion is refutable. Propaganda doesn't want to be thought about or refuted. The purpose of it is to provide a vague concept (in this example, a series of paradoxes) that makes the target stop thinking in a certain way. The Ministry creates this propaganda to introduce an association between historically (pre-newspeak) favorable states with historically unfavorable states, so the target will discard the paradox of the terms and settle on assocating the unfavorable state with being as-good-as the favorable one.

                    Also note the ordering. War is peace - Unfavorable is favorable. Freedom is slavery - Favorable is unfavorable. Ignorance is strength - Unfavorable is favorable. The reversal allows an oppressive statement to 'sneak' between the two "everything's okay" statements.

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                    • #11
                      Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

                      Read a little, will ya?
                      George Orwell: 1984

                      It's an excellent piece of authoritarian commentary that is describing todays political and government climate very very accurately

                      The book:

                      Basically the government is an authoritarian body with several ministries that focus on manipulating the truth or spreading absolute lies while perpetuating a never ending war with a foreign entity that no one ever really encounters.

                      Dissenters are sent to re-education and tortured until they submit to the system and confess to whatever crimes they've been accused of.

                      'News' is release as necessary supporting whatever claims the government needs to make and are often retroactively changed when a claim is discovered false or when the government needs to change direction on an issue. The "Ministry of Truth" keeps all information archived and changes history as necessary.

                      The lowest class (the poor blue collar uneducated) are held at arms length and allowed a bit more personal freedom than the working class as they will never participate in the system. The government allows this poor group to enjoy porn, using the ministry PornoSec to produce films that are used to placate them. It is understood that these poor have the least personal interest tied into the corrupt system and that they must be kept happy as they would be the most likely to revolt.

                      The middle class live in a world of fear, as any act of non conformity may result in government reeducation. Children are taught to report anyone who seems disloyal. Many parents are turned in by children after spending their days at schools being brain washed.

                      Theres alot more depth to it, you should read it --- I can't remember too much more, I read it when I was 12 or 14.

                      One of my fav things though:
                      At one point in the book, the government reduces chocolate rations. Later on the government claims some kind of victory in its increase of chocolate rations -- even though the increase is still a reduction compared to the original ration portion.

                      **** like that happens all the time -- like when gas goes down to 3 dollars it will be hailed as a great victory --- and no one will bother to remember that 8 years ago it was 1.25
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                      • #12
                        Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

                        Originally posted by FatCobra View Post
                        We know its propaganda, but what do you think it means though?
                        It means that your life is run by an impersonal, effectively all powerful system that you are utterly helpless to influence, understand, or control. Where is your democracy now!

                        1984. Read it. Then buy sleeping meds to offset the anxiety induced insomnia that inevitably results.

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                        • #13
                          Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

                          The use of language is also a major factor -- but you should look it up elsewhere for thorough explanations.

                          Check up on George Orwell and Noam Chomsky
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                          • #14
                            Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

                            Originally posted by FrankManik View Post
                            It means that your life is run by an impersonal, effectively all powerful system that you are utterly helpless to influence, understand, or control. Where is your democracy now!

                            1984. Read it. Then buy sleeping meds to offset the anxiety induced insomnia that inevitably results.
                            I already have enough problems, I think I'll pass :P

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                            • #15
                              Re: War is Pea,se Freedom is slavery ignorance is strenghth

                              Originally posted by Tempus View Post
                              An example of that is that still today, even though the 'truth' has been disproven, a large percentage of Americans still believe that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
                              I hear that all the time, but I've not talked to a single person that has voiced that opinion. Do I just not hang around people stupid enough to believe such a thing, or is this some urban legend statistic that keeps getting bandied about like the gospel?
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