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  • Is the windows reign ending?

    I have never been a Linux fanatic. I have always felt very comfortable with Windows using it from version 3.0 and all the way through (the horrible)windows ME and upwards.

    However something stirred in me with the termination of Windows XP and the forced shift to Vista.
    XP covers all my needs and I simply have no need for the Vista features. In my opinion it adds no added value for the average user. So I thought why not look at the alternatives.

    Mac OS.X: It is truly an amazing operating system. I got my girlfriend a MacBook and she has no problem using it. She controls network settings and installs programs without any problems. She works in childcare and have no extra interest in IT other than getting to her email / facebook etc. The downside is that it locks you to a hardware platform.

    Linux: My first try at Linux for the desktop was back in 2000. I hated it. Nothing worked out of the box and it was a mess. My second try was in 2007. I downloaded Ubuntu 7.04 and tried to put it on my Inspiron laptop. It failed. No 3d graphics drivers and no wireless. I spent countless hours trying to find right drivers for both and gave up in the end. However a colleague of mine pointed me towards Novells OpenSUSE 10.3. I downloaded the DVD and it installed without a hitch. Best of all, all my peripherals including BlueTooth worked. It took a bit of adjustment but now it is all I use(except for gaming). I even installed a version for my mothers laptop and she uses it without any complaints. I run my office apps(Office XP) through CrossOver(a Wine variant) and that takes care of the only piece of software I depend on which ties me to Windows.

    I encourage everyone of you who has an old laptop laying around to have a go at Linux, it is not as difficult as it sounds.
    Last edited by PanzerHans; 07-12-2008, 10:21 AM.
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    Re: Is the windows reign ending?

    Last I heard, Linux is approaching the big 1%. Whooo.

    As it stands, Linux has finally gained enough support (nerds, nerds with money, and money) to be viable. This is similar to how a projection system is viable as home entertainment. With some time and effort you can have your own theater, but most people would rather just buy the big-ass TV.

    Desktop Linux is good enough to work for two classes of people. 1) Those who know enough about computers to make Linux work for them with less effort than is required to make Windows work for them. 2) Those who know so little that they don't know the difference between Linux and Windows. Class 2 is mostly ultra-portibles that serve as life support for a (linux supported) wireless card and a web browser; or the computer you get for $400 or so that lets the grandparents look at email'd photographs of the latest spawn.

    As for Windows; as we know it Windows is 'dead,' for Vista showed that MS simply couldn't pull off their vision, and they couldn't even make an incremental update without breaking the few things that they had going for themselves. They promise a ground-up renovation with Seven. Either they will, or they will not. If they do, Linux will remain the OS of small systems and the computing adept, while Windows will remain the commercialised computer OS. If MS fails, Linux-creep will take another percentage point.

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    • #3
      Re: Is the windows reign ending?

      Originally posted by PanzerHans View Post
      It took a bit of adjustment but now it is all I use(except for gaming).
      This right here is why the Windows reign is still strong. Until developers start making sizable amounts of games targeted for Apple OS or Linux, Windows will still be the king of the hill.
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      • #4
        Re: Is the windows reign ending?

        It's a catch 22. Developers don't build for Linux because they see <1% on the home-entertainment-consumer figure and don't see it as cost-effective. However, as the non-gamer user base grows, that installation base figure increases as well, and eventually it will become large enough for a pointy-haired boss to take interest.

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        • #5
          Re: Is the windows reign ending?

          Originally posted by MagnaCentipede View Post
          Last I heard, Linux is approaching the big 1%. Whooo.

          As it stands, Linux has finally gained enough support (nerds, nerds with money, and money) to be viable. This is similar to how a projection system is viable as home entertainment. With some time and effort you can have your own theater, but most people would rather just buy the big-ass TV.
          What is your point? I mean do you encourage anyone who reads your post to Hate Windows and move on..but to what? Linux by your description sounds difficult? Do you have another option... OSX ..Please inform us...
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          • #6
            Re: Is the windows reign ending?

            Originally posted by SmokingTarpan View Post
            This right here is why the Windows reign is still strong. Until developers start making sizable amounts of games targeted for Apple OS or Linux, Windows will still be the king of the hill.
            So True... Apps are fine.. but GAMES... I have a MacBook AIR..and I have to say the OS and the Hardware work well.. Beautifully.. but It's funny that I have to have VM Fusion installed with XP on it... becasue there are apps that I NEED or want..and Forget about games...

            I would love to see OSX released to any X86 maker to see what would happen, but I fear that we would all have the same errors you get with Windows using all those strange hardware variants... Long Live the AMIGA!
            |TG|ARMA Pathfinder
            ..now where did I put my keys?

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            • #7
              Re: Is the windows reign ending?

              You speak as if there is a best OS.

              If you are interested in entertainment, Linux may disappoint as a primary OS because many games take a performance hit when run through WINE, and some media (e.g., commercial DVDs) is difficult/impossible to read (legally) in many nations. If you are interested in using your computer as a machine to handle general computer tasks such as storing data, using the internet, etc, Linux is adequite or superior to Windows. If you are interested in setting ablaze a massive pile of money while buying the same computer as everyone who uses Windows or Linux, then Jobs will gladly light his cigars in your hippy bonfire.

              Every situation may have its own superior OS. Windows, for a long time, was well-established. Today, the competition has a stronger install and support base, and has paralleled the advantages that Windows once held.

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              • #8
                Re: Is the windows reign ending?

                Necropost!

                Oh, wait... I thought this thread was talking about the failure of Windows ME, not Vista, sorry.

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                • #9
                  Re: Is the windows reign ending?

                  WoW runs better for me under WINE than under Windows, because Linux has a smaller memory footprint, and WoW doesn't require the latest DirectX.

                  But as soon as you start running bleeding edge games that insist on the latest DirectX features, Windows pulls ahead. Linux is still stumbling on the 3D front. It had a temporary lead with the first 3D desktop, but it blew it with poor layering. (I'd read the details a couple weeks ago but alas can't remember what the issue is.) But maybe Vista will stumble in the same way and allow Linux to regain its technical lead.

                  For me, the question isn't so much Windows versus Linux, but open standards versus proprietary closed ones. Is your data unencumbered? Can you import it into anyone's app? That isn't even a Windows-specific question. You have the same problem with non-MS commercial formats like many CAD formats (eg. Solidworks). If you use Quickbooks, can you import to GnuCash? Will your old Office documents work with any office suite, or is the format so closed or poorly documented that the data is lost once you lose the old copy of Office or the OS it runs on?
                  Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is the windows reign ending?

                    Originally posted by peardog View Post
                    Long Live the AMIGA!
                    Yes! I LOVED the Amiga. Amiga = Best OS EVER. It blows me away how so many people subjected themselves to DOS, when a true multi-tasking, graphical interface OS was available and fantastic. I guess it's because people are a bunch of Lemmings.
                    "Common sense is not so common." -Voltaire

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                    • #11
                      Re: Is the windows reign ending?

                      Lemmings! One of my favorite games for Amiga! :p I can still hear their little chipmunk voices: "Let's go!"
                      Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

                      snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

                      Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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                      • #12
                        Re: Is the windows reign ending?

                        Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
                        Lemmings! One of my favorite games for Amiga! :p I can still hear their little chipmunk voices: "Let's go!"
                        I remember that game too! Ha! -and the music was pretty dang good, too!

                        The AMIGA was also one of the first to have 3D games and run them relatively well. I remember playing Falcon on it, and whatnot. T'was nice to have that add-on 20MB hard drive to install to as well.

                        My first computer was an AMIGA 500, then we had a pair of 2000s. After that, I started using a 386 and it all went PC from there. I even ran a BBS (for a short time) off the AMIGA.

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                        On the topic, though, the Windows reign won't really be over unless the alternatives are better. Unlike most people, I actually have more trouble with Ubuntu than anything (and Fedora Core actually works better on my systems...) and I have trouble getting it set up on a RAID, and I haven't had a single-drive setup in over a year now. For all of the reasons listed above.

                        I DID have a Linux box working after I had some trouble with a few XP installs. Actually, I had used the Linux install for probably the better part of a month before I finally had to cave in and reformat it back to Windows. I had some CODEC and media player problems, and of course, I couldn't get any of my Windows games to work right under Wine.

                        Linux OS are getting better, but, they still have a ways to go. Wine has always worked well for me. OSX... unfortunately you pay too much to play that game, and if I'm buying x86 hardware for it at that inflated price, then forget it :)

                        There's only two reasons why I want a Mac+OSX anyhow. They're called "Garageband" and "ProTools"; and mostly that's because Garageband has far less of a learning curve than FL Studio or ACID Pro.
                        "But way back where I come from, we never mean to bother. We don't like to make our passions other peoples' concern." -Dar Williams
                        Former Captain of the 55th Infantry Division

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                        • #13
                          Re: Is the windows reign ending?

                          Nothing have beaten Windows so far, and will probably never do it either!
                          Look under your chair!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Is the windows reign ending?

                            Originally posted by PanzerHans View Post
                            Mac OS.X: It is truly an amazing operating system. I got my girlfriend a MacBook and she has no problem using it. She controls network settings and installs programs without any problems. She works in childcare and have no extra interest in IT other than getting to her email / facebook etc. The downside is that it locks you to a hardware platform.
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                            And I had lemmings also, for the PC. I had lemmings 2 also. It was a great game. I'd love to have a new version.
                            "Sympathy means a lot, coming from Kulmar. I didn't think it was possible.
                            Good luck getting rid of your disease. If you're infected, though, stay away--I can't afford to be a zombie right now.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Is the windows reign ending?

                              An interesting article reported on Slashdot today on how to upgrade Windows XP without going to Windows Vista:

                              http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?.../07/15/2325215

                              Instead, install Workstation 2008.

                              http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterpri...ation_200.html

                              http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/
                              Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

                              snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

                              Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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