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    This is thread devoted to news and updates related to the RNC/DNC conventions and the protests going on over them.

    To start it off:

    Protesters Denied Access to Attorneys & Phone calls:
    http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=11656

    At Least 900 Arrested in City as Protesters Clash With Police
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/01/po...01protest.html
    Last edited by mentholated; 08-28-2008, 07:33 PM.

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    What is the value of standing around waving signs and hollering? Such behavior has never convinced me that such people are correct. In fact, it has the exact opposite effect on me. I see them as little different from the angry Luddite villagers attacking Doctor Frankenstein's castle to stop his experiments on creating life. (I'm a fan of the doc. ;))
    Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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    • #3
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      Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
      What is the value of standing around waving signs and hollering? Such behavior has never convinced me that such people are correct. In fact, it has the exact opposite effect on me. I see them as little different from the angry Luddite villagers attacking Doctor Frankenstein's castle to stop his experiments on creating life. (I'm a fan of the doc. ;))
      These days I'm not a fan of protesting. Theres always some undercover guy with a camera snapping pictures to add you to some database. But if its gotta be done, at least wear a mask or bandana.

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        Originally posted by mentholated View Post
        at least wear a mask or bandana.
        I can see how that would give you more credibility.
        Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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        • #5
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          Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
          I can see how that would give you more credibility.
          If you (anyone protesting) want to be stopped in an airport every time you try to fly or rounded up as a person of interest when martial law comes-a-knockin', by all means, leave your face exposed. I on the other hand won't be there and if I am, I won't be identifiable.

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          • #6
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            You ever stop to think that maybe protesters and hecklers are infringing on the candidates' rights to free speech? Eh?

            The protesters have every right to express themselves, but they should organize it on a more official forum. Protesters usually end up looking like retards. Don't you just love the war protesters who stand for "love and peace," but end up getting violent? The only protesters I've heard of that were remarkably effective, were during the civil rights movement in the 60's. And that would be because the one's organized by the great and honorable Dr. Martin Luther King were truly peaceful, and while the protesters would be well behaved, the cops ended up being the jerks. THAT's effective protesting. None of the protesting dorks these days are remotely close to the class that civil rights protesters had back in the day. I mean, come on. The quiet sit-in at the Montgomery Wards soda shop spoke volumes, was done with dignity, and helped bring about true change this country needed.

            It's not fascism when protesters are thrown out of a convention area. Top security is needed for these sorts of things.

            And BTW, you shouldn't throw terms like fascism around lightly. Not only did you spell it wrong, but it's akin to calling Bush a Nazi. When people use the term "fascism," they usually don't know the true definition. They use it, because it's what all the cool kids/rock bands/hippies/hipsters/potheads/etc. are saying these days. Let me enlighten you to the true definition:

            Originally posted by Dictionary.com
            fas·cism
            Pronunciation[fash-iz-uhm]
            –noun
            1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
            2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
            3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

            History of the word:
            It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, "bundle, (political) group," but also refers to the movement's emblem, the fasces, a bundle of rods bound around a projecting axe-head that was carried before an ancient Roman magistrate by an attendant as a symbol of authority and power. The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism.

            fascism [(fash-iz-uhm)]
            A system of government that flourished in Europe from the 1920s to the end of World War II. Germany under Adolf Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Spain under Franco were all fascist states. As a rule, fascist governments are dominated by a dictator, who usually possesses a magnetic personality, wears a showy uniform, and rallies his followers by mass parades; appeals to strident nationalism; and promotes suspicion or hatred of both foreigners and “impure” people within his own nation, such as the Jews in Germany. Although both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality. In theory, communism opposes the identification of government with a single charismatic leader (the “cult of personality”), which is the cornerstone of fascism. Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing.
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            • #7
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              Originally posted by War.mongeR1 View Post
              You ever stop to think that maybe protesters and hecklers are infringing on the candidates' rights to free speech? Eh?

              The protesters have every right to express themselves, but they should organize it on a more official forum. Protesters usually end up looking like retards. Don't you just love the war protesters who stand for "love and peace," but end up getting violent? The only protesters I've heard of that were remarkably effective, were during the civil rights movement in the 60's. And that would be because the one's organized by the great and honorable Dr. Martin Luther King were truly peaceful, and while the protesters would be well behaved, the cops ended up being the jerks. THAT's effective protesting. None of the protesting dorks these days are remotely close to the class that civil rights protesters had back in the day. I mean, come on. The quiet sit-in at the Montgomery Wards soda shop spoke volumes, was done with dignity, and helped bring about true change this country needed.

              It's not fascism when protesters are thrown out of a convention area. Top security is needed for these sorts of things.

              And BTW, you shouldn't throw terms like fascism around lightly. Not only did you spell it wrong, but it's akin to calling Bush a Nazi. When people use the term "fascism," they usually don't know the true definition. They use it, because it's what all the cool kids/rock bands/hippies/hipsters/potheads/etc. are saying these days. Let me enlighten you to the true definition:
              Well, considering the definition of facism (notice I spelled it wrong again), then the usage of it in the current day and age of the good ol' USA is appropriate. It may not yet be boot on your face, shoot you if you don't do as we say obvious fascism, but that definition is an accurate description of our government. The congress has no power whatsoever, and is merely a show put on to placate the general populace. We do indeed live in a dictatorship.

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                Originally posted by mentholated View Post
                We do indeed live in a dictatorship.
                Spend some time in Burma or North Korea to learn what a dictatorship truly is. You may FEEL powerless here, but that's because you are only one person. When people here are unhappy, they can vote out politicians in hopes that the new one will satisfy the constituents more. We may not be a true democracy either, but we are FAR from a dictatorship. We have what you could call a Representative government. People here CAN make a difference. We CAN make changes. Just because you, the individual (or even a minority of people), doesn't get what you want in government all the time, does not make it a dictatorship.
                "Common sense is not so common." -Voltaire

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                • #9
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                  The right to protest is one of the fundemantal freedoms that allows the US to rise above other states in terms of human rights and individual expression. It has resulted in countless changes to law and the public view (status quo).

                  Because you don't like what the protesters are saying doesn't mean that they infringe on anyone elses freedom of speach.

                  You ever stop to think that maybe protesters and hecklers are infringing on the candidates' rights to free speech? Eh?
                  The protesters have every right to express themselves, but they should organize it on a more official forum. Protesters usually end up looking like retards. Don't you just love the war protesters who stand for "love and peace," but end up getting violent? The only protesters I've heard of that were remarkably effective, were during the civil rights movement in the 60's. And that would be because the one's organized by the great and honorable Dr. Martin Luther King were truly peaceful, and while the protesters would be well behaved, the cops ended up being the jerks. THAT's effective protesting. None of the protesting dorks these days are remotely close to the class that civil rights protesters had back in the day.
                  Protesters now'adays are less willing to have their rights infringed. Back with Dr. King everyone resigned themselves to being abused and having their rights trampled. Modern day protesters are more assertive of their rights while they're being abused.
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                  • #10
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                    "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."

                    Benito Mussolini

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by GlobalWarmin View Post
                      "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."

                      Benito Mussolini
                      Well we can certainly call our current situation corporatism, if not fascism.

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                      • #12
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                        Protesters should only be allowed in authorized 'protest zones' like it's done in that bastion of democracy, China.




                        Wait... We already do that here.

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                        • #13
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                          I got no issue with people that like to protest. What get's me though is many times the protest turn into a disrespectful shoutdown or obstruction which is intended to end the conversation/debate.

                          In my opinion, let all sides be heard with respect. It is really sad that in our society that is supposed to be so open minded, many people from both sides are so closed minded to civilized discussion.
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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by Tempus View Post
                            Protesters should only be allowed in authorized 'protest zones' like it's done in that bastion of democracy, China.




                            Wait... We already do that here.
                            The funny thing is that the protesters didn't stick to those "zones". They were empty from the accounts I've read. The protestors hung out at Civic Center park and then hit the streets.

                            Most of the arrested will be released with the charges dropped or never filed. I imagine they would have more trouble in China.
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                            • #15
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                              They have the right to protest.

                              They also have the right to be complete d-bags.

                              God bless America. And I really mean that. If people want to protest and look stupid, all power to them.
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