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    Just saw a piece on 60 minutes about companies that fail to follow the USERRA law. Basically it says if a reservist is called away when they return the their employer must give them back the same job and pay that they had when they left.

    I think that the companies that fail to do this are pretty low. Some of those companies are asking for compensation from the government to cover some of the burden (very small companies do get exceptions.) I can understand that it does place a burden on those companies. The fact is, though, we are in a war.

    War means sacrifice, no? If the companies don't like the war then work to end the war. Don't go looking for a handout.

    Who thinks different?
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  • #2
    Re: USERRA laws

    It's a war of choice, so maybe citizens should be able to "opt out" of supporting it?

    It'd be best if individuals could order that their taxes not be used to fund certain war activities. Thoreau would be proud. Taking one's opposition out on the soldiers is pretty low. I agree that the law seems pretty reasonable as well.
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    • #3
      Re: USERRA laws

      I can understand both sides.
      A reservist is basically screwed if he comes back to no job. Thanks for supporting the country, no bugger off.
      An employer has a guy - say he is off a specific talent or whatever. I mean I don't think this really applies to some unskilled labor job as much. The guy leaves. The man has to track down a replacement. The reservist comes back. Then he gets called back AGAIN. repeat. Some reservists were repeatedly called back, eh? This is screwing the company. Particularly in harder to fill jobs.

      I totally support making sure they get their jobs back, but the government also needs to be ready to support the company in certain situations as well.

      Gringo - I agree it is a war and we need to make sacrifices, but imagine the degree of effort it could take to find a specialized profession and get him to possibly move there just until this reservist comes back. I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but that's my point. Certain situations are slightly different.

      Think of some types of engineers. Some doctors and the like. These temporary replacements might not be easily available locally. Just a few thoughts.
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      • #4
        Re: USERRA laws

        Originally posted by Skylark View Post
        Gringo - I agree it is a war and we need to make sacrifices, but imagine the degree of effort it could take to find a specialized profession and get him to possibly move there just until this reservist comes back. I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but that's my point. Certain situations are slightly different.

        Think of some types of engineers. Some doctors and the like. These temporary replacements might not be easily available locally. Just a few thoughts.
        Bah... That might be the situation in every one out of a thousand cases... Basically, it's employers that aren't willing to sacrifice to make sure that the American troops have a job to come back to.

        These men and women are willing to pay the highest price, they have written a blank check to the US Government, and that check is made out for just about everything including their very life, and an employer finds it too difficult or expensive to hold a job for them? Screw that. Prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law and sic the media on them as well.
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        • #5
          Re: USERRA laws

          If I can't get out of going to jury duty (just got the summons) or paying taxes to support the war, then companies shouldn't get out of this. We should all bow down before the god of government and take our knocks willingly. After all, it knows best.
          Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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          • #6
            Re: USERRA laws

            Another thing they mentioned in the story is that some companies are refusing to hire reservists because of this.

            Talk about low down dirty dogs.

            Again, I can understand the position of the employers but their position is just wrong. Most of them like hiring them during peace time because generally they are dedicated and reliable. But when war comes they don't like the down side? Suck it up, punks.
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            - "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson
            - "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta
            - If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette
            - "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving." -Friedrich Hayek
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            • #7
              Re: USERRA laws

              Everyone should support war.

              And if they don't, then they should be forced to support it!
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              • #8
                Re: USERRA laws

                Originally posted by xTYBALTx View Post
                Everyone should support war.

                And if they don't, then they should be forced to support it!
                Hah!

                No, you don't have to support the war, just the troops.
                Iím not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host.
                - "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt
                - "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson
                - "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta
                - If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette
                - "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving." -Friedrich Hayek
                - "Don't waist your time on me your already the voice inside my head." Blink 182 to my wife

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                • #9
                  Re: USERRA laws

                  In this case, I don't get the impression that the companies are showing opposition to "the war" at all. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a few of them that do, but the majority are showing opposition to the very business-related concept of "you're telling me this employee can up and walk out the door at any time, stay away for a full year, and then come back and I have to make sure the same job is STILL waiting for them?"

                  Asking the government for recompense for hardship doesn't seem that unreasonable to me, as long as it was a skilled specialist position and not some random unskilled laborer.

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                  • #10
                    Re: USERRA laws

                    Originally posted by CingularDuality View Post
                    Bah... That might be the situation in every one out of a thousand cases... Basically, it's employers that aren't willing to sacrifice to make sure that the American troops have a job to come back to.

                    These men and women are willing to pay the highest price, they have written a blank check to the US Government, and that check is made out for just about everything including their very life, and an employer finds it too difficult or expensive to hold a job for them? Screw that. Prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law and sic the media on them as well.
                    I know. I agree that it would be very rare. I just also get concerned that a blanket view would screw the occasional person/company/canine/whatever. :icon_lol:

                    I think these individuals should get full support, but I'm just saying I can see both sides. It is similar to pregnant women and leave for them. You have to wait until they come back, IF they come back. Again, I can understand that they deserve to come back to a job, but it is sort of unfair to the employer, too. In both situations, your employee leaves and you have to find a temporary replacement. That person has to know it is a temporary replacement and be ready to leave when/if they return. Then repeat the process when needed.
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                    • #11
                      Re: USERRA laws

                      Originally posted by Kerostasis View Post
                      In this case, I don't get the impression that the companies are showing opposition to "the war" at all. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a few of them that do, but the majority are showing opposition to the very business-related concept of "you're telling me this employee can up and walk out the door at any time, stay away for a full year, and then come back and I have to make sure the same job is STILL waiting for them?"

                      Asking the government for recompense for hardship doesn't seem that unreasonable to me, as long as it was a skilled specialist position and not some random unskilled laborer.
                      Exactly. They may support the war and not the troops.

                      Even if there wasn't a law demanding it, taking back people that went to fight and die to defend the country is the right thing to do. I don't see why they need compensation for this.

                      Get some of the other civilians working to pick up what the soldiers left behind.

                      Hire some temps to do more of the menial jobs so that the important work can be handled by the important people left.

                      Ask the customers to understand a that few delays may happen because the people normally serving them are now risking their lives in a foreign country.

                      Basically spread the pain around a bit.

                      Of course the above requires Americans to understand that we are in a war and we need to sacrifice just a bit to support the men and women protecting our way of life. The problem is many Americans only supported the idea of war and never where asked to actually support the war through their own sacrifice.

                      That is why I always detested the yellow ribbons even when I was in the military. Those yellow ribbons mainly where used to make the civilians feel better about themselves. But when it comes down to it many Americans shirk the real support needed and ask the government to do it for them.

                      Great patriots they are.
                      Iím not racists, I have republican friends. Radio show host.
                      - "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt
                      - "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson
                      - "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta
                      - If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette
                      - "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving." -Friedrich Hayek
                      - "Don't waist your time on me your already the voice inside my head." Blink 182 to my wife

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                      • #12
                        Re: USERRA laws

                        Ok, I can get behind that.

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