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    Defunct bad parents with lame excuses. Read the material on this site, and e-mail your thoughts to: [email protected]

    http://www.mavav.org/

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    We have received an overwhelming amount of letters on the topic of video game addiction and violence. While the majority of the responses were sent in by feral young children...
    lol, "feral"

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    • #3
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      The investigation of the cybercafes, also known as "PC bangs" or "cybercafes,"
      Bolding aside, what kind of loser games at a cybercafe anyways? The last thing CS players need is more caffiene.

      "The multiplayer version of "The Sims," set to debut Tuesday, has been hailed as the first major test of whether subscription-based online gaming can appeal to a mass audience.
      So, I guess they missed out on games like Everquest or Asheron's call. Unless you don't count 500,000 people as a "Mass audience." Considering the lack of gray matter required to play The Sims, I wouldn't be surprised if even more play it though.

      This is exactly why people who know nothing about guns, games, comic books, etc and the statistics shouldn't be writing for or against them. Ignorant people have been blaiming all their problems on something or someone else for years and it's not going to stop. Before PC games, it was Magic Cards. Before that, comic book. Before that it was AD&D.

      A Poorly written web page about violent games (the best kind in my opinion) does not excuse your crappy parenting or brain-dead kid.

      When I get some time I might actually e-mail these people. I'll be met with derision and anger for trying to cite facts. But I'm already used to that at work.

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      • #4
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        Hey, do it! I sent them an e-mail. The crap that post on that site is unbelievable. I've love to see their sources for saying, "Hardcore gamers never buy computer video games. Instead, downloading illegally copied video games or “warez” is the only method acceptable by the underground." So hardcore gamers must now be part of the underground and never pay for their games?

        What a bunch of idiots. I'd like to know how one could play CS:S or WoW without paying for HL2 or the WoW subscription (and game).

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        • #5
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          "Fact: Hardcore gaming not only leads to video game addiction and abrupt lifestyle changes, but to crime and felony as well. Hardcore gamers never buy computer video games. Instead, downloading illegally copied video games or “warez” is the only method acceptable by the underground. Buying a legit copy is grounds for abandonment by community groups. You may not be buying your child videogames, but they can illegally obtain them off the internet."




          Hah. I actually see like.. a tons of gamers that hate illegal copies and such. We all look at how low they sunk. We make fun of them, and laugh at thier poor judgement on themselvesto get "free" things. I disagree with the above "fact"



          "Danger: Do video games make people violent?
          Yes. What was once a debatable question, is now fact. New research has concluded that video game violence and behavior related violence are in fact closely related."

          Do I seem violent? Come meet me, I'm actually a really nice guy, much better than on the forums. Always an E (for excellent attitude) on my report card... Yet, they say we all get very violent :P I also disagree with this "fact"


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          • #6
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            It's too bad the articles are offline at the moment; "EverQuest: A Threat to Society?" should be better than any the Onion article I've ever read. Just the title has me in tears laughing. :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

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            • #7
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              It hard to take that website seriously, and I doubt it is doing any good at convincing anyone who isnt already biased in favor of thier cause.

              I like the part about poor school grades.

              Symptom: Poor school grades
              A typical report card by a troubled video game player:

              Computer Education Excellent
              English Poor
              Mathemathics Poor
              Science Poor
              Social Studies Poor
              Physical Education Poor
              lol
              Steam Community: | |

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              • #8
                Re: Do society a favor!

                I wonder what the symptoms of having a crazy, overbearing mother are?

                hmmm...breathing, I guess.

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                • #9
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                  If you disagree with them then you're a "feral young children and pre-teenage gamers". If you agree with them, then, well if you agree with them then frankly you're an idiot..

                  No doubt, video game addiction is a bad thing.. but how many kids honestly get addicted? Where's the statistic on that? The problem is, you're never get a clear cut statistic on it, since no matter what a kid does, they blame it on games.

                  Bad grades in school? Must be the games.
                  Stole a car? Damn GTA!
                  Killed 20 class mates? Doom strikes again.

                  Its all a scare tactic to get parents to care more.. and frankly if a parent has to be scared to care more then they have other problems to deal with..

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                  • #10
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                    I saw an ad in the Onion about "How to kill a Cop". It had a bunch of info (why, where to shoot, what to use ect.) that was all sarcastic and then told which games the info came from. At the bottom it said: 'For adults only. Kids who play violent video gaes already know this' and the point was to get parents to know what's in their kid's games.

                    The real funny part of it was; half of what they said about those games (Postal 2, GTA:VC, The Getaway) wan't true or was taken out of context. If parents did play games they would know it was and would think it was pure B.S. (it is). It's just a bunch of overreacting parents trying to make more parents flip thier wigs and join them.

                    I wonder why my Quaker mom isn't like this...maybe it's because she has a job?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Do society a favor!

                      Exactly.. like I said. They're trying to scared parents into caring.

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                      • #12
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                        Oh this thread lead me to some of the most humorous reading I have done for some time. I decided to send them a reply email, and I'm including the email in this post for everyone to read and consider. That website......................LMAO!

                        First off, I just read your informative website. I have some serious issues with most of your statements, along with the philosophy you are following. You must know right now you have tread down a dangerous road without evidence to back up your claims. Don't worry, I'll educate you as to what I mean.
                        Before that, I must give you credit for the few truth's you have on your website.
                        "Danger: Do video games make people violent?
                        Yes. What was once a debatable question, is now fact. New research has concluded that video game violence and behavior related violence are in fact closely related." Good job there. Considering I play video games I can't wait to kill them all now.
                        You are also correct in saying that video game companies are marketing products toward children and young teens. The part I don't like about this statement, is it's too narrow. The broader scope is that not only violent video games are aimed at young children. So are questionable clothing that is extremely revealing, commercials that use sex to sell products, and especially anything with an athlete as a figurehead to sell anything. There is a forest out there, you have just singled out a mere branch of a tree.

                        And thus, your philosophy takes a downward spiral into lies and deciet. You are following the footsteps of ages past, one built upon misinformation.
                        The first example of such misinformation is the following statement: "And the newest absurdity, underground video game cultures which takes gaming to another level, tainted with online "clans", singling out of people, hatred, racism, and sexism." Yes, you are correct in stating there are online clans. But you are stating that members of these online "clans" single out people, expose others to racism, hatred, and sexism. Where is your proof of this? I would like to see chat logs and screenshots of games posted on your website, along with valid server IP addresses, administrator email contacts of the servers, so that everything you state can be verified. Until then, that statement is a shot in the dark, and cannot be validated by any proof you may think you have obtained.
                        The second example of your erronious philosophy is the following statement: "While the majority of the responses were sent in by feral young children and pre-teenage gamers (a very surprising statistic, more proof our cause is not in vain), a great handful of parents did submit stories of their real life experience handling video game related addiction and violence in their own family." You are basically stating that the majority of your email responses are from "feral young children and pre-teenage gamers". First, how can you determine the age of a sending party through an email? Second, you should post these emails to further support your claims, to be reviewed by all who come to your website. I do understand you would recieve much hatemail aimed at telling you what to do with yourself, and yes, some of this would be from children. To state this in the manner you have, would require you to know the exact age of all parties who have emailed you in order to do a scientific polling of the sheer volume of email I am certain you recieved.
                        Another serious misuse of the words you have on your website is the following statement: ""Fact: Hardcore gaming not only leads to video game addiction and abrupt lifestyle changes, but to crime and felony as well. Hardcore gamers never buy computer video games. Instead, downloading illegally copied video games or “warez” is the only method acceptable by the underground. Buying a legit copy is grounds for abandonment by community groups. You may not be buying your child videogames, but they can illegally obtain them off the internet." Lets do this line by line shall we?
                        Your first line stating that video game addiction leads to abrupt lifestyle changes, and to crime and felony as well. That statement is utter bull****. The federal government decided to use such a "tactic" of misinformation in the earliest days of fighting the war on drugs. Don't get me wrong, drugs are a bad thing to society and those who use drugs have problems, and need help. The federal goverment used to state that people who smoked marijuana were criminals, and that habitual smoking of marijuana led to insanity, and murder. Look up the Reefer Madness movie if you don't believe me. There of course, was no research done to support this claim, it was pushed upon the paranoid masses at the time, and here is why. To begin with, at the time of those movies being shown to audiences, insanity and mental illness was something that was considered a shame to your family. Of course people would not want anyone smoking marijuana, it causes insanity, doesn't it? I mean, if someone in your family has a mentall illness or goes insane in the publics mindset of that time, it was not to be discusses and was considered a horrible thing, and would disgrace an entire family. Hence the reason why it was said to begin with. So tell me where the evidence that marijuana causes insanity?
                        Oh hell now I have to get to the part where it is stated that criminals use marijuana. So according to the Federal Government, anyone who was smoking marijuana committed criminal acts against society. This is partly true, since marijuana is illegal, but to go overboard and say that because of smoking marijuana leads you to criminal acts is absurd. The only criminal act a marijuana smoker is doing is possessing it, and drug use. Hmmm, watch the Reefer Madness movie and you'll have a better idea of what I am speaking about. They show people smoking marijuana, and committing murder, rape, when we all know by something called "evidence" that this is not the case. Hell, it even mentioned how people become violent, and would commit crimes because they were under the influence of marijuana.
                        Your first line in this quote follows this same pattern of complete and utter bull****. Tell me, where is the evidence that video game players commit crimes? Are you going to make a movie about video games called Video Game Madness, and try to push it on us too? Make sure you fill it with hilarious and absurd things like the Federal Government did so long ago, I could use a good laugh. I want to see someone playing Counter Strike named little Johnny pick up a gun and kill his family, better yet, make him a member of a so called "clan" and have him make racist, hateful, sexist remarks while he is doing it, make sure you add stuff like "I pwn all joo!". After he does all of that, I want him to go out and murder his entire town, I mean come on now, Counter Strike taught him how to kill didn't it? After all, little Johnny is a "feral pre-teen who is now a criminal minded seeker of everyone's destruction". Playing video games made him that way, didn't it?
                        Lets not forget your second line in that statement, along with the third line. Hardcore gamers never buy anything? Since the advent of a program called STEAM and Half Life 2, those users have no choice but to purchase the products they use. Granted, some games might be playable this way, but you completely missed the point. The reality of it is that gamers look down upon those who DON'T pay for the games they play. Do you even know what the "underground" is? Yes, anyone can download anything they wish to find off of the internet. You can find any software your heart desires. Most companies regulate the software they make, and game companies are on the forefront, way ahead of even Microsoft when it comes to making it hard or impossible to use illegal copies of games, let alone serial numbers.
                        I personally have never ran across any game where people would look down on me for using a legitimate copy of a game. So what if a "feral" pre-teen can download a game off of the internet. They can also download pornography, child pornography, hacking tools, and even download other media such as movies, songs, and anything else I have forgotten. You are following the footsteps of RIAA on this one, stating something you cannot back up with any evidence whatsoever. RIAA claims that illegal mp3 and song trading hurts the profits of record labels, and artists everywhere. Where is the evidence of this accusation? I bet RIAA is working on a Mp3 Trading Madness movie too.
                        In short, your website was not a complete waste of time and server space. It was humorous to read the point of view of some people making claims they cannot back up, and statements against the evil of the world, video games. I for one am an avid gamer, and it has not made me violent, nor does it make me want to commit crimes, or go on shooting sprees.
                        If someone does, then they are irresponsible and cannot seperate fantasy from reality. Next time you decide to bold statements, use some thought and stop listening to these PETA-esque outfielders.
                        "There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who know binary and those who do not. "

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                        • #13
                          Re: Do society a favor!

                          Originally posted by Sniper
                          "Danger: Do video games make people violent?
                          Yes. What was once a debatable question, is now fact. New research has concluded that video game violence and behavior related violence are in fact closely related."
                          And yet, they provide no links to valid studies.

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                          • #14
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                            If you JUST meet me, you couldn't tell I am a gamer... unless the glasses are a givaway... but glasses are for the sterotyped "nerd" as well.

                            I am formal and respectful toward all adults, yet... they say I'm an evil and disruptive child bent on world domination.
                            *sigh*
                            What if, for one day, everyone DID act just as they say we act. I bet that would shut them up for good, and send them rushing in apologies... or maybe i'm wrong.

                            :\


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                            • #15
                              Re: Do society a favor!

                              "Fact: Video games aren't just for "fun" anymore, the video game industry made a net income of $6.3 billion in 2002, surpassing even the movie industry. Developers profit and continue to take advantage of today's youth with cute, loveable, addictive, and recognizable franchise characters. A practice and strategy similar to those used by the tobacco industry."


                              Hahaha.. As much of a gamer I am, I could quit CS, BF1942, ect. whenever I wanted. I play if for fun and kicks, and only for that. If they make it funner, I will play them. It's all about fun for me. I don't enjoy the game for fun anymore, then I quit it.



                              "Fact: Video games have been proven to prevent the development of the proper social skills and interaction needed for a long happy and enjoyable life. Young gamers are prone to being burdened with depression and sadness all throughout their life"

                              I got 50+ friends at my school (friends, meaning people I can easily talk and share any kind of info and know it will be safe with them, and rely on them)
                              I don't have depression, I'm actually a VERY positive person.



                              "Fact: Health studies have found that even those casual gamers suffer from low self-esteem and self-pride compared to their athletic and more socially accepted peers in their same age group. Young gamers were found to be more likely to become lifetime gaming addicts and becoming social outcasts."

                              ... I'm very positive and very atlethic in the Marching Band. I can easily be accepted into a group, and as more people come to our school, my "group" of closer friends can grow in size easily. If anyone called me a "Social Outcast" they would make thierselves look like a complete idiot when they saw my life outside my PC and home.


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