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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellis-...-_b_46855.html

    If it has accomplished nothing else, the Bush administration has scoured and, so to speak, "cleansed" the right of actual conservatives. These, you will dimly recall, are people who believe in limited government, balanced budgets, fiscal probity, individual rights coupled with personal responsibility, the sanctity of the Constitution, constrained foreign adventurism, and a respect for tradition, knowledge, and common sense.

    Oh, go on, laugh. Just pause to shed a tear for the actual conservatives, who as we speak are either quietly drinking themselves into oblivion or, like batty Peggy Noonan (the Ophelia of the right), lovingly assembling posies for the grave of Ronald Reagan and singing songs of nostalgia to the moon. Or deciding that they're "actually libertarians."

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    Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

    Reagan wasnt a Conservative. Why do people think we was conservative?
    Conservatism doesnt exist, because it asks for less govt. whilst simultaneously wanting fiscal responsibility (from govt. and people). It cant happen. You see the result of conservative economics today. And during Reagan's days we had similar crises.

    Not to mention, Reagan's budgets were astronomical due to his military proliferation... which most conservatives seem to love. "????"

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    • #3
      Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

      Question -- is it your intent to advertise this article as a whole as worthwhile reading, or are you just offering that particular point for consideration as more insightful than the rest?

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      • #4
        Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

        The point was a direct response to this post in the newest economic thread http://www.tacticalgamer.com/sandbox...ml#post1234383 and I think the article is very insightful

        I thought it could use a new topic.

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          Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

          Why Socialists Don't Believe in Fun, by the late George Orwell.
          A policy of freedom for the individual is the only truly progressive policy. -F.A. Hayek

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          • #6
            Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

            Originally posted by Hambergler View Post
            The point was a direct response to this post in the newest economic thread http://www.tacticalgamer.com/sandbox...ml#post1234383 and I think the article is very insightful

            I thought it could use a new topic.
            Ah, well in that case I'm going to have to disagree with you. The article starts with a few semi-reasonable points that seem like they have some promise, but then develops those points into something every bit as hypocritical, stereotypical, and insulting as the activities it claims to be criticizing. Not really an insightful article after all.

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            • #7
              Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

              Isn't this just a "no true Scotsman" fallacy?

              Current conservatives aren't true conservatives seems a lot less likely than conservatives have merely changed their platform over the years.

              Seriously, in this day and age with everything as interconnected as it is "small government" is either a stupid platform or means something different than it originally did.

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                Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

                I'm truly Irish-American, and in honor of the royal mishandling of the country by all political parties over the last decade, give or take, I am going to get tanked and yell at Oliver Cromwell, may god roast him in hell forever.

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                  Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

                  Originally posted by TheFeniX View Post
                  Isn't this just a "no true Scotsman" fallacy?

                  Current conservatives aren't true conservatives seems a lot less likely than conservatives have merely changed their platform over the years.
                  I find the term "conservative" utterly useless in identifying what position someone holds.

                  "Republican" is slightly clearer: It's someone who wants to spend lots of public money on his campaign backers while blocking Democrats from doing the same. How informative. (This is why I think we should just flush the two parties and create one party that eliminates this foolish tribalist rivalry.)
                  Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

                  snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

                  Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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                    Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

                    Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
                    I find the term "conservative" utterly useless in identifying what position someone holds.

                    "Republican" is slightly clearer: It's someone who wants to spend lots of public money on his campaign backers while blocking Democrats from doing the same. How informative. (This is why I think we should just flush the two parties and create one party that eliminates this foolish tribalist rivalry.)
                    Even if you flushed the parties, you'd never flush the tendency for people to identify themselves with others that hold similar values... so a party system would just re-develop over time regardless. It's the same with Unions.

                    The key is detaching the parties from the political system. They have no real moral rights to the government aside from organized private assembly.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

                      Originally posted by Gambit7 View Post
                      Even if you flushed the parties, you'd never flush the tendency for people to identify themselves with others that hold similar values... so a party system would just re-develop over time regardless. It's the same with Unions.

                      The key is detaching the parties from the political system. They have no real moral rights to the government aside from organized private assembly.
                      Agreed. There should be no primaries, just elections with lots of candidates as with the last California gubernatorial election. And the ballot should carry just your name and taxpayer ID number, not any affiliations. If you want to advertise your affiliations, do it on your own nickle, with your own campaign spending.

                      WhiskeySix posted a link to a Federalist Paper on this theme of no parties:

                      http://www.tacticalgamer.com/sandbox...ml#post1038272

                      The Federalist No. 10: The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection (continued)
                      Daily Advertiser, Thursday, November 22, 1787, [James Madison]
                      http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm
                      Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

                      snooggums' density principal: "The more dense a population, the more dense a population."

                      Iliana: "You're a great friend but if we're ever chased by zombies I'm tripping you."

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                      • #12
                        Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

                        Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
                        Agreed. There should be no primaries, just elections with lots of candidates as with the last California gubernatorial election.
                        And with that you got Arnold. Why is that better?
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                        • #13
                          Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

                          This piece is bad even by Huff Post standards (do they have standards)?

                          I personally find the conservative punditry (and it's the punditry, not the actual well-thought proponents) funny because like so much punditry in this god-forsaken country of fool's media one can't help but read/listen/watch for what comes next.

                          Some examples of leading 'conservative' punditry that I think is funny (among other things):

                          Surrounding his and Fox News' comparisons of Barney Frank and his dealings with AIG to Joeseph McCarthy's dealings with 'communists,' Rush Limbaugh claims that the "popular myth" that Joeseph McCarthy falsely accused people is false. "You liberal democrats love every communist regime that comes down the pike." Really.

                          Sean Hannity claims "there never should've been a bailout of AIG." I can't find any economist that agrees with this, and what happened with Lehman Brothers last fall also seems to bear this out as wrong. A failure of AIG would have (and still would be) disasterous to the global economy. Hannity calls this 'fear mongering.' Then he just starts making things up: :"every single Senate Democrat voted for those bonuses. Every -- almost every Democrat in the House voted for those, because they voted for the stimulus bill. And by the way, Republicans did not, which provided -- by the way, this provided the legal protection to ensure that these bonuses would be paid."

                          And finally, the self-professed 'nuts' Glenn Beck:
                          "Comrades. Our time is now. We have them spending trillions to save their precious banks. We nearly have their Census in the hands of their fearless leader. We have convinced them that those who cheat on their taxes are more important than the average person, so they should be ignored. Let them work, let them work. And their very own agents, our agents are now in Congress. We are very close to our ruling party. The destruction of the West is happening just as we always hoped, but not with violence -- no, no, with fear."

                          At a time when people most need to be informed on the facts, our advertising-fed media brings you all this and more - unfolding in real-time, keeping you so deluged in raw sewage that you couldn't find the truth if you tried. As Charles Grodin said in Midnight Run, 'have a nice life, Jack.'

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                          • #14
                            Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

                            The heads of the banks, treasury, Paulson, Geithner, Willumstad are all high level Republicans. The bailouts were engineered by Reps. Who listens to these radio nut jobs?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Why Conservatives Aren't Funny

                              The fact that Rush Limbaugh is someone that people point to as an example of conservatism greatly saddens me. If people could seriously dismiss whatever he says as any kind of conservative or Republican (yes I separate those terms on purpose) platform, well, please go ahead and do that.
                              "I've been working since I was sixteen. I fought in two wars. Hell, I've killed people. I'm not saying that I didn't enjoy it..."
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