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    Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

    Explorers Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

    Just what we need, the nations youth trained as pro-state, paramilitarists. The pro-war on drugs, terror, law enforcement culture seems to stop at nothing in their recruitment of the next generation of agents.
    Does anyone actually think this is a good program for The Boy Scouts Of America?
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  • #2
    Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

    Sounds suspiciously like an excuse to play airsoft...

    Yeah, from the articles it looks like they're running the kids through scenario airsoft games/training exercises. If they're interested in law enforcement I don't see any real harm in sending a bunch of sixteen and seventeen year olds to run through training drills with actual law enforcement officers. If nothing else it's good for fire arms handling, though that one kid needs to get the mag out of his gun if he and his buddies don't have goggles on.

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    • #3
      Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

      For reference, when I was a wee one, in South Africa, I was a scout. I was about 4 badges off the opportunity to try and become a springbok scout, so I'd done it for a long time. This was during the apartheid struggle, when there were active terror campaigns underway (from all sides in that war). We were completely trained in the same kind of stuff. It's given me a pretty good grounding in being suspicious of the right things. The scouts have always been a paramilitary org, if you know their history. They were formed at the siege of Mafeking, during the boer war (in South Africa), because the 12 year olds were the only ones small enough to have a chance of slipping out to keep c3 running.

      The pro-state stuff I don't think is so good, because, well, thank goodness the scouts had no type of such thing going on during the apartheid era. In fact, scouts was the only place I could have black friends during that time. One of the few youth orgs in South Africa who never activated one apartheid policy, as far as I am aware. We were all equal, in what was essentially a meritocracy.

      So, COIN/Anti terrorist awareness training, yes. Propagandize it, no. Based on the fact that this is U.S. fat chance it won't be propagandized.
      Do or do not, there is no try....
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      • #4
        Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

        Considering a few points.

        1) Most of the kids are interested in law enforcement careers.

        2) Learning these skills/tactics can help them in not only law enforcement but also the military.

        3) This program can help the kids who want these careers realize the truth of the career rather than just the TV/movie fantasy.

        4) The program can also help the kids realize the physical condition they should be in to join these careers. (some of those kids in the pictures looked either pudgy or just weak.

        5) The kids are or should be learning weapon safety and teamwork which can help in a multitude of careers and also lowers the chance of them accidentaly shooting someone because they were careless or being stupid around guns.

        6) Keeps them off the streets.

        7) Lots of people play first person shooters and try to learn/simulate these tactics thru computer games. These kids are doing it in the real world where it was meant to be.

        8) They get to shoot people with toy guns and have some fun at it.

        9) I bet alot of the people who play FPS would join a program like this if it was available in their area and they were allowed to have some fun with it.

        10) If there was an emergency and the local police or border patrol needed the help they have a ready bunch of potential help if needed. (since the kids seem to be working with their local police/border patrol)


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        • #5
          Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

          Originally posted by Scattershot View Post
          10) If there was an emergency and the local police or border patrol needed the help they have a ready bunch of potential help if needed. (since the kids seem to be working with their local police/border patrol)
          Good point. If Law enforcement needed to tap people for assistance in a disaster or something, they could do worse than turning to the boy scouts.

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          • #6
            Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

            by the way, just to be perfectly clear, explorers and boy scouts, while under the same umbrella, are not the same. explorers are ENTIRELY focused on law enforcement. boy scouts are not at all.

            and there is no counter-terrorism merit badge in boy scouts. just FYI.

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            • #7
              Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

              Can you be an atheist or agnostic and be an explorer?

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              • #8
                Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

                Why couldn't my troop do things like this!?

                Oh well... :(

                Do I think this is right for the Scouts? Actually yeah, this would be a good program for almost anyone, assuming they had the right instructors. I'm going to assume that this is teaching safety, a little bit teamwork and discipline at all at the same time. Three things that everyone needs to work on from time to time. I'm all for it.

                ~ Draken

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                • #9
                  Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

                  Heck I with the Girl Scouts did that sort of thing!

                  *Sigh*

                  All we did was make friendship bracelets, go camping (but stay away from the fire!), and guilt people into buying cookies. They wouldn't even let my troop to play laser tag.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

                    Sounds much like the Hitler Youth, which was patterned on the boy scouts teaching of nationalism, citizenship, and a certain kind of ideology - national socialism for the HY and some kind of Christian spiritualism with the BSA - but also included law enforcement, military, and weapons training.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

                      did everyone just ignore my post? the boy scouts and explorers are NOT THE SAME. they dont have the same meetings, they dont do the same things, they dont even belong to the same governing structure (council system in BSA). two entirely separate organizations under the same umbrella. Oh and neither is new. the boy scouts have been around for a century or so and the explorers have been around for at least 20 years.

                      i dont know, its like you guys are selectively reading out of paranoia or something.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

                        Originally posted by DrBeat View Post
                        Heck I with the Girl Scouts did that sort of thing!
                        The drastic differences in the Scouts bothers me quite a bit.
                        I can ADS using more than a 2x without significant stutter! This was a good patch.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

                          Originally posted by sordavie View Post
                          Sounds much like the Hitler Youth...
                          Yeah BSA is about sporting the nation and the local community, the Hitler Youth was about the national agenda and the Führer. Also if Wikipedia is to be trusted the Hitler Youth was mandatory, where the BSA and Explorer programs are volunteer, amongst a host of other MAJOR differences

                          There is no true comparison between the two, so don't go there...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

                            Originally posted by Ferris Bueller View Post
                            did everyone just ignore my post? the boy scouts and explorers are NOT THE SAME. they dont have the same meetings, they dont do the same things, they dont even belong to the same governing structure (council system in BSA). two entirely separate organizations under the same umbrella. Oh and neither is new. the boy scouts have been around for a century or so and the explorers have been around for at least 20 years.

                            i dont know, its like you guys are selectively reading out of paranoia or something.
                            Well I asked a question about Explorers. They are under the same umbrella group as BSA. Do they have requirements against atheist or agnostic membership?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Boy Scouts train for badge in anti-terrorism

                              nope. neither does the boy scouts. I'm 100% agnostic and made it all the way to eagle scout without anyone complaining. I assume the reason that you'd ask is because of the religious "propaganda" that the BSA has associated with it, like the peppering of the word "god" in the scout oath, etc and the fact that most troops are supported by churches. for me, I looked at it realistically: the words are just words. I see no more hypocrisy in saying them and not believing them than I do for using money with "in God we trust" printed on it.

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