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    Man gets 7 years in prison for arranging sex for son
    A father accused of arranging for his teenage son to have sex with a woman in a hotel room last year has been sentenced to seven years in prison.

    Authorities said the 41-year-old man repeatedly asked his son on his 15th birthday if he wanted to have sex with a woman, then taunted him when he refused.

    When the boy, now 16, allegedly relented, Ocala police say the man rented a room at the Palms Motel on South Pine Avenue, dropped his son off and arranged for an unidentified woman to pay a visit.

    Police say she performed a sex act on the boy and then they had sexual intercourse.

    The defendant's name is being withheld to shield the identity of the boy a minor-age victim of lewd and lascivious battery.

    The charge, a second-degree felony, carries a maximum prison term of 15 years. A six-member jury took an hour and a half to deliberate Tuesday before returning a guilty verdict, according to prosecutor Nick Camuccio.

    The defendant was subject to a minimum prison term of five years due to past felony drug convictions. He was sentenced by Circuit Judge Jonathan Ohlman.

    "It was clearly bad parenting," Camuccio said about the August 2008 incident. "The child had no idea. His father had told him this was going to happen, a woman was in [the room], and there was sexual activity."

    Both the defendant and his son testified during the half-day trial, according to lawyers.

    The father denied the allegations. He told jurors he had booked a motel room that morning and dropped his son off at the motel when the teen indicated a preference to watch television. But he didn't arrange for any woman to visit his son, he claimed.

    The victim, who is the older of the defendant's two sons, offered a different version of events the one outlined in the police report.

    "He could relate what could happen to him and he was very credible and obviously the jury believed him," Camuccio said.

    As for the woman in the room, Camuccio said the state is still attempting to locate her whereabouts. Her name or age are not known at this time.

    "We don't have that information. We're assuming [she] was a prostitute. We're still looking for her because she could still be prosecuted for the sexual" activity, he said.

    Past court hearings revealed the 2008 incident drummed up old feelings of hostility between the defendant and his ex-wife the boy's mother.

    After a September 2008 injunction hearing last year in which the defendant was ordered to have no further contact with his son, the man said the boy had been "coached" by his mother to concoct that story. The female in the room was his son's girlfriend, he claimed.

    At that hearing, the mother told Circuit Judge Robert Hodges that their son suffered from attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder and dyslexia, and bitterly accused her ex-husband of running "a sex ring."

    "Barely," the boy responded, when asked by Hodges at that hearing whether he understood the court proceedings.

    Camuccio, the prosecutor, pointed out that a developmental disability alone "doesn't make someone not credible."

    The defendant's court-appointed attorney, Jack Nugent, unsuccessfully lobbied to have the jury consider a lesser-included offense for his client.

    As a result of his conviction, the defendant must register as a sex offender. Previously free on bond before trial, he was immediately taken into custody at the Marion County Jail following Tuesday's sentencing.
    My question is do you think that this sentence is too harsh? Its clear that this was terrible parenting and a complete lack of judgement on the fathers part. A crime has been committed and should carry some punishment. But, serving seven years in Florida prison with the real pedophiles, having a 2nd degree felony on your record, and being labeled as a sex offender for the rest of your life seems a bit extreme. I am in no way trying to justify or condone the fathers actions, but rather ask the question in regards to the severity of the sentence.
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    Re: Man gets 7 years in prison for arranging sex for son

    I don't know it is fairly bad, but at 16 you should have a brain good enough to either not answer the door or at the very least not let the women in, if you really don't want to be having sex with her. I'm not sure if that is asking too much of a 16 y/o or not.



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      Re: Man gets 7 years in prison for arranging sex for son

      I don't know whether 7 years is long or short. He'll probably get out before then.

      Originally posted by machowner View Post
      I don't know it is fairly bad, but at 16 you should have a brain good enough to either not answer the door or at the very least not let the women in, if you really don't want to be having sex with her. I'm not sure if that is asking too much of a 16 y/o or not.
      You're pretty close to contradicting yourself - a type of performative contradiction and a version of Moore's Paradox. Compare to the statement: It is raining, but I don't know if it is raining.

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        Re: Man gets 7 years in prison for arranging sex for son

        Reverse the situation.

        Dad repeatedly asks his 15 yo. daughter if she wants to lose her virginity, taunting her when she refuses. She relents, decides okay. Dad rents her a motel room, leaves, and a bit later some strange man shows up, has sex with the daughter, leaves.

        Now is the 7 year sentence too harsh?

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          Meh, the jail sentence makes sense. The part that always bothers me is the lifetime "Sex Offender" tag that follows it. There is no such thing as "serving your time and getting out" for a sex crime -- the state will severely restrict your ability to live for the rest of your life. So I'm hesitant to apply that label unless the circumstances really demand it, and I don't think the circumstances demand it here.

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            Re: Man gets 7 years in prison for arranging sex for son

            Originally posted by sordavie View Post
            You're pretty close to contradicting yourself - a type of performative contradiction and a version of Moore's Paradox. Compare to the statement: It is raining, but I don't know if it is raining.
            did you catch that from the "should" or "I'm not sure if that is asking too much or not" of course neither statement is indicating 100% certainty, such as "it is raining"



            Regarding the 7 years, regardless if the kid had a brain or if it is asking too much of a 16 y/o, this guys made a dumb decision and shouldn't have put the kid in that position.



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              Re: Man gets 7 years in prison for arranging sex for son

              Originally posted by Gillespie View Post
              Reverse the situation.

              Dad repeatedly asks his 15 yo. daughter if she wants to lose her virginity, taunting her when she refuses. She relents, decides okay. Dad rents her a motel room, leaves, and a bit later some strange man shows up, has sex with the daughter, leaves.

              Now is the 7 year sentence too harsh?
              Yes, I see your point. Your analogy paints a much different and darker picture in my mind. The view point is completely opposite from a male perspective when the child is a female. I would be asking myself if seven years was enough time in that situation.
              This kind of thing used to be a "right of passage" of sorts for young males in earlier history and other cultures. But certainly not something I would be involved in as a parent.
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                Re: Man gets 7 years in prison for arranging sex for son

                Authorities said the 41-year-old man repeatedly asked his son on his 15th birthday if he wanted to have sex with a woman, then taunted him when he refused.

                When the boy, now 16, allegedly relented, Ocala police say the man rented a room at the Palms Motel on South Pine Avenue, dropped his son off and arranged for an unidentified woman to pay a visit.
                So was the boy 15 or 16 when this happened? I do know that Florida has a age of consent of 18.

                Here in Kansas the age of consent is 16, so if the boy was 16 and willing and the parents did not disapprove there wouldn't even be a crime (although weirdly enough the father pushing for it could be corruption of a minor type offense and pictures of the incident would be child porn...)

                If he was 16 I think it is bad parenting, but unless there was rape involved (not statutory) I disagree with a prison sentence for the father. A 16 year old can decide for themselves whether to participate with a random female when there is no force/coercion involved and the father was allegedly not present for the act.
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                  Re: Man gets 7 years in prison for arranging sex for son

                  Originally posted by machowner View Post
                  did you catch that from the "should" or "I'm not sure if that is asking too much or not" of course neither statement is indicating 100% certainty, such as "it is raining"
                  Yeah, it was your assertion that a 16 year old should be old enough to understand his options and then your assertion that you're not sure if that's asking too much of a 16 year old or not.

                  What you assert in the second half in some way undermines what you've asserted in the first half.

                  Better way to put it, if you want to say what I think you do and yet indicate uncertainty would be as follows:

                  "I'm not sure, but a 16 year old should be getting to the age at which he can understand his options."

                  Here you preface your uncertainty, which covers the assertion in the second half rather than undermines it.

                  Philosophers and linguists have studied Moore's Paradox for a long time and nobody's sure exactly what's wrong with it (my guess is that it's a kind of performative contradiction). But everyone's sure something is wrong.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Man gets 7 years in prison for arranging sex for son

                    As I said, I think you are trying to stretch Moore's Paradox here. In neither statement did I assert an absolute truth and then contradict that truth.

                    The first statement expresses a belief that "he should know his options" while the second statement speaks more to the situation and questions if a 15/16 y/o has the necessary strength to resist such a situation. Perhaps I could have used different words for the second statement, but really I didn't expect for someone to read the two sentence as one.



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                    • #11
                      Re: Man gets 7 years in prison for arranging sex for son

                      I don't know about this one. Granted the father should have simply let it go and moved on. Seven years is rough, as well as the Sex Offender tag.

                      All that being said, it is a case of real bad parenting and he deserves to be punished.

                      BTW, that should be reserved for his 18th birthday....
                      "The chief foundations of all states, new as well as old or composite, are good laws and good arms; and as there cannot be good laws where the state is not well armed, it follows that where they are well armed they have good laws." -Machiavelli

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