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    My wife was email this letter from her friend in Missouri. Some people! I'd vote for this Sheriff just from his response!

    The original email was sent to Sheriff Glenn Boyer on Thursday, August 27.

    I tried to call you earlier this morning, but was unable to obtain your
    extension from the voice mail system as I was not sure of your first name or
    correct spelling of your last.

    I was inadvertently in this procession as I was leaving work on 270 from
    Creve Coeur and proceeding on Hwy. 30 West. I have some issues and
    complaints. I called the Sheriff's office last night, but the officer in
    charge would not speak with me. His name was Corp. Curtis. I am in no way
    complaining about your officers. I, however, was not treated very fairly when
    I called last evening because I wanted a ticket/complaint/or at least a slap
    on wrist for the people involved. Let me explain:
    1) This procession should never have been held during rush hour traffic! Hwy.
    270 is dangerous and people drive way too fast and there is too much traffic.
    This soldier's certainly would not have want his family hurt on the
    interstate taking him to Cedar Hill. People were dead-stopping on the
    interstate even though the procession was in the far right lane, the other
    three lanes just stopped. There were many near accidents and possibly were
    after I drove through. I was in the 2nd to left lane, no way obstructing the
    funeral procession.
    2) I exited off on Gravois (30 W), far right lane. Your police officers went
    in the left lane to stop any additional on-coming traffic so the procession
    could exit off 270 into the LEFT lane of 30. Again, I was in the right lane.
    The St. Louis County officer stopped and turned around at Weber Hill to
    return on 270 after the procession passed.
    3) The road was not closed. (Only for president as far as I know.) Again, the
    road was not closed. Your officers only had the left lane blocked/closed for
    the funeral. All other traffic by MO law can proceed as long as they do not
    interfere (weave in and out )with funeral procession.
    Let me say, that I did not know what was happening. I knew the did not have
    Kennedy coming to STL, at least not yesterday. I was at work all day. No
    news. Nothing reported on the traffic on the radio driving home.
    Anyway, two of these dirty, nasty, renegade, who knows what motorcycle men
    that were escorting the procession proceeded to stop in front of me in the
    right lane on Gravois. I had to stop in the middle of an intersection. They
    proceeded to scream and yell at me about respecting this soldier, etc. One of
    them climbed off his motorcycle and came over to me and stuck his head in my
    car continuing to scream at me. I asked him what this was for and he told me
    I needed to stop as the officers had the road blocked and show some dang
    respect. #1, the road was not blocked, the funeral was in the other lane. #2,
    I am proud of our country and sorry for the family, but they had no idea
    where I was going or anything else. I could have a child at day-care, I could
    have been sick and racing to the bathroom, I could have a sick parent waiting
    for me, etc., etc.
    #3, They are not law enforcement and had no right to stop in the lane on
    Gravois and they had no right to scream at me and intimidate and threaten me.
    If I would have had my pepper spray, I would have used it on this nasty man!
    He is just a big hoo ha that is not even related to this soldier. The other
    man did not get off his scooter, but was along side of my passenger window
    screaming.
    I left an abusive husband 1 1/2 years ago and I did not need this
    intimidation. I was livid and shaking!!
    My son is a deputy sheriff in another MO county. I respect police officers.
    It was not their fault as they were busy with traffic, but I called to make
    them aware of what was going on during this thing. The St. Louis County
    officer saw it but of course he was out of jurisdiction.
    However, I called last night and your office asked me if I knew about this
    soldier. Again, I am sorry about him, but I am a taxpayer. I got a speeding
    ticket a few months ago and paid the fine. I do not deserve to be treated
    like this. I wanted to let the officer know how these men were acting. Also,
    they were driving into the turnarounds on Hwy. 30 and then back onto the
    road. the funeral was much further ahead. One of them nearly got hit by me
    and other people almost hit him and another as well. I wanted to lodge a
    complaint about them why they were still there, but no one in your office
    would take any information or do anything.
    This was not a military funeral, even though it was a soldier. There were not
    military vehicles. It was a funeral and the road was not closed, the lane was
    closed, I was in the other lane and again, these nasty men had no right to do
    this and I would have liked them to get a ticket!
    I am sorry for the soldier and his family but you cannot let these motorcycle
    renegades do this. They could have caused several accidents and I really
    wanted them arrested. If they had any respect for the soldier they would have
    dressed better and not looked and acted so scuzzy.

    Thank you.


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    Glenn Boyer/JEFFCO
    Date: 08/31/2009 02:05 PM

    Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Funeral Procession - Yesterday p.m.

    Dear XXXXX:

    Yes, you do deserve a response and I am willing to give you one.

    I would like to say that I am sorry for the inconvenience we caused you
    during the funeral procession of Sergeant 1st Class William B. Woods, but I
    cannot do so. I would ask instead that you take a moment of your time to take
    into consideration the scope of the event. Your very right to complain was
    the reason Sgt. Woods fought for his country and ultimately gave his life;
    thus making the ultimate sacrifice for you and your family.

    Let me introduce you to him. After high school, Sergeant Woods entered the
    Marine Corps. After his contract was up, he joined the Army, where he became
    a Green Beret. He comes from a long line of military members in his family.
    His Uncle is a Vietnam Veteran and two of his grandfathers were World War II
    Veterans. His job in the Army was one of the most dangerous jobs - he was a
    sniper looking for the bad guys to stop before they killed or injured one of
    our soldiers. He has numerous decorations to include the Bronze Star and the
    Purple Heart.

    He grew up in Catawissa and was best known by his middle name, Brian. He
    enjoyed the outdoors, playing sports, and skydiving. He had a wife,
    Elizabeth, and two daughters, whom he loved dearly. He was a soft-spoken,
    level-headed young man who was proud to serve his country no matter what the
    risk. Now, I did not know him, but I wish I did. I am quoting from newspaper
    articles written about him.

    At the young age of 31, he was shot during an engagement with Taliban forces
    in Ghanzi , Afghanistan . He died of his wounds in Germany on August 16, with
    his family by his side. He did not choose the time of his death, nor did he
    choose the time his remains would be brought back to his home in Catawissa.
    He just did his duty. He was quite a young man.

    While you were being inconvenienced in your car on your way home, there were
    soldiers just like Sergeant Woods carrying 100+ pounds of equipment in 120
    degree heat, up some mountain or in the middle of some desert. They will
    shower out of a helmet liner if they get the chance. They will eat a cold
    meal of MRE's; something most people would consider garbage. They cannot text
    their family or friends, or go to McDonalds, or watch TV. They can only
    continue the mission and look out after the guy to the left and right of
    them. They don't complain because they know they volunteered. The only thing
    they ask is that we do not forget the sacrifices they have made.

    One of the dirty "big hoo ha" bikers, as you call them, was Brian's uncle, a
    Vietnam Veteran, like myself. We were not treated with a homecoming. We were
    spit on and called baby killers by a misguided public. Brian's uncle was
    giving him the respect that he, himself, never received when he came back and
    I, for one, am proud of him for doing so.

    You say that your brother is a deputy in another Missouri county. I am sure
    he would be proud to escort the casket of a fallen solder, the same as he
    would that of a fallen officer. I am also sure he would not agree with your
    complaint about being inconvenienced.

    My mother recently passed away. She was a World War II Veteran, serving the
    U.S. Army. She would say, maybe you should pick up Sergeant Woods' ruck sack
    and carry on where he left off. Then you could see first hand what it really
    is to be inconvenienced.


    Per your request, I will forward your complaint to the Prosecuting Attorney's
    Office for his review. It is my personal opinion that your complaint is
    self-serving and without merit.

    Sheriff Oliver "Glenn" Boyer

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    Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

    That was indeed a good response. Some people are way too full of themselves and need a good dose of perspective.
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    • #3
      Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

      Why was it necessary for a funeral procession to cause enough of a traffic hazard that a person in the second-to-left lane on a highway was bothered?
      I can ADS using more than a 2x without significant stutter! This was a good patch.

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      • #4
        Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

        IMO terrible response. How are the living conditions in the army relevant to the need to stop traffic for a private funeral? He had to carry heavy equipment while marching, therefore you shouldn't mind if we close down the highway for him? Doesn't make much sense to me.

        There's something like 11,000 Americans who die every day. Each and every one is valuable and important to their friends -- but do we have to make sure they are important to all of the people who never knew them as well, eleven thousand times per day?

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        • #5
          Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

          I think it was relevant because the lady was complaining about the inconvenience that was caused her by the funeral procession without stopping to consider the inconvenience our troops suffer every day, as well as the fact that that this particular soldier paid the ultimate price fighting for her her country.
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          • #6
            Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

            Originally posted by Kerostasis View Post
            IMO terrible response. How are the living conditions in the army relevant to the need to stop traffic for a private funeral? He had to carry heavy equipment while marching, therefore you shouldn't mind if we close down the highway for him? Doesn't make much sense to me.

            There's something like 11,000 Americans who die every day. Each and every one is valuable and important to their friends -- but do we have to make sure they are important to all of the people who never knew them as well, eleven thousand times per day?
            Nicely said. Sure, the lady was a bit ridiculous and out of line. The response was completely irrelevant to her complaint.

            I think it was relevant because the lady was complaining about the inconvenience that was caused her by the funeral procession without stopping to consider the inconvenience our troops suffer every day, as well as the fact that that this particular soldier paid the ultimate price fighting for her her country.
            Stopping at least three lanes of traffic for a funeral procession, as well as harassing a driver (even a driver as seemingly rude and obnoxious as this woman) is uncalled for.

            Both sides acted fairly awfully.
            I can ADS using more than a 2x without significant stutter! This was a good patch.

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            • #7
              Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

              While the woman was a tool, she was expressing in the worst possible way legitimate grievances. I would most likely have had a few words myself for her had I been present. I do not believe any of them could be accused of being yelled or screamed however. The motorcycle escorts were in the wrong. period. There is no law forcing other motorists to stop for a funeral procession. It is only a respectful display that any decent person should practice. Her indignation aside, she was right. The sheriff's response is actually dishonoring the memory of the fallen soldier, in that he is using the service of him and his family to thump this lady on the head for being a botard. If my father or wife were in that casket, I would be appalled to hear that the details of their service were used in such a vain way.

              bad form.

              both sides.

              very bad form.
              Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein
              The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity. -Harlan Ellison

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              • #8
                Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

                Originally posted by Kerostasis View Post
                IMO terrible response. How are the living conditions in the army relevant to the need to stop traffic for a private funeral? He had to carry heavy equipment while marching, therefore you shouldn't mind if we close down the highway for him? Doesn't make much sense to me.

                There's something like 11,000 Americans who die every day. Each and every one is valuable and important to their friends -- but do we have to make sure they are important to all of the people who never knew them as well, eleven thousand times per day?
                You of course have the right to say that, even if I believe you are terribly, terribly wrong.

                Gods bless our fallen heroes.
                The American Resistance Movement: Defending the nation from tyranny since 1776.

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                • #9
                  Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

                  Thanks to Ddog and Raz for filling in the details that I missed in my response. I agree with their additions completely.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

                    I don't believe this is real, it is the same old smug response FWD FWD FWD emails that all turn out to either complete BS or embellishments on something minor that happened that did not involve this email exchange (ie someone complained abouta funeral one time).

                    Tell tale signs:
                    Was 'forwarded from a friend'
                    Long emails, not common among ignorant complainers or any law enforcement.
                    Contains sob story about soldiers unrelated to incident itself, portrayed in a way to make the complainer look uncaring.
                    Expects the complainer to know things they wouldn't know.

                    I don't believe it, have you found a reliable confirmation source?
                    |TG-6th|Snooggums

                    Just because everyone does something does not mean that it is right to do.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

                      While it might eventually turn into one of those hokey emails you're referring to, Snoogums, this one is indeed real.

                      http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...E?OpenDocument

                      http://www.jcsd.org/ <--- Sheriff Boyer is in the upper-left corner.

                      My opinion? Sometimes stupid people need to be told to shut up, despite any allowances that they "technically" did nothing wrong. Giving every retarded complaint the time of day snowballs into mass idiocy down the line.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

                        Originally posted by snooggums View Post
                        I don't believe this is real, it is the same old smug response FWD FWD FWD emails that all turn out to either complete BS or embellishments on something minor that happened that did not involve this email exchange (ie someone complained abouta funeral one time).

                        Tell tale signs:
                        Was 'forwarded from a friend'
                        Long emails, not common among ignorant complainers or any law enforcement.
                        Contains sob story about soldiers unrelated to incident itself, portrayed in a way to make the complainer look uncaring.
                        Expects the complainer to know things they wouldn't know.

                        I don't believe it, have you found a reliable confirmation source?
                        Snopes has it listed as "in the news", so they've got no word on it yet, but I'd believe it.
                        I can ADS using more than a 2x without significant stutter! This was a good patch.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

                          See my post above, Raz.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

                            What a wonderfully put together response, He mus have really held back on it. Because he is obviously smart enough to not get in trouble over 1 idiot out of the masses.



                            When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. ~ Jimi Hendrix

                            And isn't it a bad thing to be deceived about the truth, and a good thing to know what the truth is? For I assume that by knowing the truth you mean knowing things as they really are. ~ Plato

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                            • #15
                              Re: The audacity of some people / Great response from Sheriff

                              I think the response is inappropriate because one of the things she talks about in her letter is safety. Any sheriff should respond to that aspect of it. As a taxpayer, I would expect and want a response to the actual problems she listed.

                              She obviously had a concern about it, however misguided her attempts at addressing it are.



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