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    http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...190&TextPage=1

    The 12-year-old and his mother, Janette Kaddo Marino, are defying Saratoga Springs school policy by biking to Maple Avenue Middle School on Route 9. The Jackson Street residents pedal more than four miles together each way to the middle school on nice days despite being told not to by school officials and police.
    What other examples do you know where helping the planet will get you busted?

    (Using grey water springs to mind. Or not watering your lawn during droughts, in lawn-nazi neighborhoods.)
    Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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    Re: When being green is illegal

    Originally posted by ScratchMonkey View Post
    http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...190&TextPage=1

    What other examples do you know where helping the planet will get you busted?

    (Using grey water springs to mind. Or not watering your lawn during droughts, in lawn-nazi neighborhoods.)
    From your article:

    While the school district does not allow elementary school or Maple Avenue students to ride bikes to school, that could change in the coming weeks, Superintendent Janice White said. The Board of Education could vote to amend the policy on Oct. 13, when it is scheduled to discuss a recommendation from a district-formed committee.
    Since the school policy is most likely based on safety concerns as a blanket rule (the pair bikes along a highway which is not safe for unsupervised children) and not anything to do with 'green' it is a silly example.
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      Re: When being green is illegal

      Originally posted by snooggums View Post
      Since the school policy is most likely based on safety concerns as a blanket rule (the pair bikes along a highway which is not safe for unsupervised children) and not anything to do with 'green' it is a silly example.
      Sorry if the question wasn't clear. It's not a matter of criminalizing actions because they are green, but criminalizing actions that happen to be green, effectively discouraging such green practices.

      In the linked story, I couldn't find a clear statement of why bike riding was illegal. In comments replying to the article, I found that the kid was taking a park trail to school.

      http://blog.timesunion.com/saratogas...e-people/2974/
      http://blog.timesunion.com/parenting...ike-to-school/

      It's not clear to me why a 12 year old would even need supervision. (The car drivers on the expressway might, though!) I was pretty independent at that age. But it does seem kids get pampered to an elderly age these days.
      Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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        Wow. Kids at that school HAVE to ride to school? Amazing. It said they can't bike or walk to school. That's a pathetic way to teach our kids about health. I was in 4th grade when I started riding my bike to school. By myself, mind you. It was a heck of a climb up that hill too (always fun riding back down, though). When I started middle school, I often walked to school, which was about 2-3 miles away, and I had to cross under a busy freeway. There were crosswalks, but no slow school zones in place to slow drivers down.

        I miss the days when parents were free to do what they want with their children, without the "Nanny State" watching them at all times. I miss the scary high steel construction playground we had at our elementary school. That's all since been ripped out to be replaced by lame plastic play equipment. They also took out the seesaws and the merry-go-round. Kids just can't have any fun these days.
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          Originally posted by War.mongeR1 View Post
          I miss the days when parents were free to do what they want with their children, without the "Nanny State" watching them at all times. I miss the scary high steel construction playground we had at our elementary school. That's all since been ripped out to be replaced by lame plastic play equipment. They also took out the seesaws and the merry-go-round. Kids just can't have any fun these days.
          Oh man. A couple of months ago I walked by my old elementary school's playground. The fantastic wood and metal construction that had been so fun to climb around, jump off, and otherwise be childish on had been replaced by this awful pastel plastic thing with no part higher than 10 feet off the ground. Jesus.
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            Re: When being green is illegal

            Oh man. A couple of months ago I walked by my old elementary school's playground. The fantastic wood and metal construction that had been so fun to climb around, jump off, and otherwise be childish on had been replaced by this awful pastel plastic thing with no part higher than 10 feet off the ground. Jesus.
            That is because everyone knew someone who broke a limb on those things. They were by no means safe, now that is not to say they weren't fun.

            Once upon a win

            As far as the biking goes, I can see that getting too dangerous too quickly. I used to ride my bike everywhere at even younger than 12. I can remember spending entire days just riding my bike through several neighborhoods and finding friends to tag along. I even used to ride my bike to school occasionally, but I never once rode across a busy highway.

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            • #7
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              My childhood playground had asphalt, just like the roads, as the playground surface.

              A couple of the slides where at least 20' tall with 2" side rails and polished stainless steel. The one with the hump was especially fun. We would take wax coated paper cups and slick that puppy up. Oh boy did you fly down it. Many a kid flew off the side and caused some serious scraps (because you landed on asphalt).

              That link obito talks about another great instrument of pain. The ring pole.

              At my primary school there was one particular contraption that injured more children than average. I dont know what it was called but it looked something like a Mayflower pole. A tall metal pole with a spinning circle at the top. Attached to the circle was about six chains with smaller metal rings at the bottom. The point was to get your friends hanging onto the small rings, everybody runs real fast in the same direction around the pole, and wheeeeeee! let yourself fly!
              Again when you flew off you landed on asphalt.

              All this was even better during the hot summer days of over 100 degree temperatures. Those scrapes would have hot asphalt ground into them for even more pleasure!

              I remember within days two girls fell off one of the monkey bars and broke their arms.

              Oh those glory days of pain. I wish I could torture my kids that way. Big wussies.
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                Re: When being green is illegal

                Originally posted by Razcsak View Post
                Oh man. A couple of months ago I walked by my old elementary school's playground. The fantastic wood and metal construction that had been so fun to climb around, jump off, and otherwise be childish on had been replaced by this awful pastel plastic thing with no part higher than 10 feet off the ground. Jesus.
                I know, the reduction in life altering injuries like head trauma and severe joint damage from falls due to the safer equipment just isn't worth it!*

                *note sarcasm
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                  Re: When being green is illegal

                  Are you the guy who writes headlines for internet news outlets?

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by snooggums View Post
                    I know, the reduction in life altering injuries like head trauma and severe joint damage from falls due to the safer equipment just isn't worth it!*

                    *note sarcasm
                    Dont forget to hire a "slip and fall" lawyer and sue the hell out of that damn town! How dare they! Unresponsible, I say!

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                      Whats really funny about this article is that this comes from where Skud grew up. Skud, your hometown SUCKS.

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                        Re: When being green is illegal

                        Originally posted by snooggums View Post
                        I know, the reduction in life altering injuries like head trauma and severe joint damage from falls due to the safer equipment just isn't worth it!*

                        *note sarcasm
                        Nobody in my six years at that school was hurt (that I know of) except me. I was thrown into a plastic slide accidentally.
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                        • #13
                          Re: When being green is illegal

                          Personally I think the trend is just fine.

                          If you are going to put something out there for the general public might as well be safe. I HATED that playground equipment growing up. I think most of the other kids did as well.

                          I say this because the school bought a brand new set that was much safer. The old stuff was left standing for a couple of years. Nobody went and played on the old stuff.
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                          - "The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity". -Jacob Burkhardt
                          - "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" - Emerson
                          - "People should not be afraid of it's government, government should be afraid of it's People." - Line from V for Vendetta
                          - If software were as unreliable as economic theory, there wouldn't be a plane made of anything other than paper that could get off the ground. Jim Fawcette
                          - "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving." -Friedrich Hayek
                          - "Don't waist your time on me your already the voice inside my head." Blink 182 to my wife

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                          • #14
                            Re: When being green is illegal

                            Originally posted by War.mongeR1 View Post
                            Wow. Kids at that school HAVE to ride to school? Amazing. It said they can't bike or walk to school. That's a pathetic way to teach our kids about health. I was in 4th grade when I started riding my bike to school. By myself, mind you. It was a heck of a climb up that hill too (always fun riding back down, though). When I started middle school, I often walked to school, which was about 2-3 miles away, and I had to cross under a busy freeway. There were crosswalks, but no slow school zones in place to slow drivers down.

                            I miss the days when parents were free to do what they want with their children, without the "Nanny State" watching them at all times. I miss the scary high steel construction playground we had at our elementary school. That's all since been ripped out to be replaced by lame plastic play equipment. They also took out the seesaws and the merry-go-round. Kids just can't have any fun these days.
                            Maple Avenue Middle School

                            1) The school is located on a 2 lane highway with no sidewalk.
                            2) Buildings close to the highway are widely spaced (at least from the street view of google maps) and some are obstructed by trees
                            3) One side of the highway is an entirely forested area with no visible buildings

                            I can understand what you're saying if the school was located in suburbia with more buildings and higher traffic, but it looks like this school is located in a pretty remote region. Its not nanny state that is poking it head out the window, its police state that's probably responding to the increasing notoriety of child abductions.

                            More publicity to child abductions and crimes against children relates to bigger responses from communities to safeguard children

                            Dunno. I think rules and regulations against biking/walking through potentially deserted areas for middle school students are a sound precaution by schools against child theft. From what I remember a while back the burden of guardianship falls upon the school once the student enters the supervision of the school, but there is a gray area if the child leaves home alone and is in route to school. By extending the supervision of the school closer to home (bus stops and routes) it probably prevents those silly parent v school problems of "Its not my fault! They were on their way to school!".

                            So yeah, I agree with you somewhat that levels of parenting for children tend to slide backwards in relation to the stupidity of said parents. However in this case the rules may well be justified considering the situation of the time and place. Don't need any more sob stories of unmarked vans picking up middle school children walking/biking on the side of the highway or through the unpopulated park after all.
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                              Re: When being green is illegal

                              You make some good points, Tarenth. I didn't realize the nuances of the story.
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