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    http://www.examiner.com/x-3704-Colum...al-policestate

    http://threatswatch.org/analysis/200...r-sovereignty/

    Last Thursday, December 17, 2009, The White House released an Executive Order "Amending Executive Order 12425." It grants INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization) a new level of full diplomatic immunity afforded to foreign embassies and select other "International Organizations" as set forth in the United States International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945.

    By removing language from President Reagan's 1983 Executive Order 12425, this international law enforcement body now operates - now operates - on American soil beyond the reach of our own top law enforcement arm, the FBI, and is immune from Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests.
    Let's look at the bright side: If Interpol is going to be our new law enforcement agency, we can save a ton of money by firing the FBI, Marshalls, DEA, and all the other Federal-level LEOs that seem to be duplicating each others' efforts. (And pigs will be seen flying over Hell's winter wonderland.)
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    Re: Interpol granted immunity from FOIA, FBI oversight

    The entire act can be found here: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Intern...Immunities_Act

    This does not indicate any kind of police state, they have been operating here for years and the only change that this really affects is taxes and FOIA. Since Interpol is an international organization it would be logical to not apply FOIA actions to them, just like you wouldn't be able to apply FOIA requests to the French Embassy. I think it is a poor move by Obama to reduce transparency, even of an international organization, but we can always use FOIA to access communications from US government departments to and from Interpol. The only part that matters is:

    For an added and disturbing wrinkle, INTERPOL's central operations office in the United States is within our own Justice Department offices. They are American law enforcement officers working under the aegis of INTERPOL within our own Justice Department. That they now operate with full diplomatic immunity and with "inviolable archives" from within our own buildings should send red flags soaring into the clouds.
    The Police State tag is inflammatory and completely inaccurate. It's not like FOIA wasn't ignored for 'national security' reasons regarding the things that Interpol addressees by the government already through massive redaction...

    Plus I think they have to pay taxes now due to the changes :)
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      Re: Interpol granted immunity from FOIA, FBI oversight

      Interpol facilitates communications between law enforcement agencies from different countries. They create an overhead of data collected from countries around the world and disseminate that to agencies who may be concerned. They're not an organization that conducts direct action. If you want to know what Interpol knows regarding American interests, then FOIA the crap out of the FBI.

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        Re: Interpol granted immunity from FOIA, FBI oversight

        Why should we need immunity for an international police organization when we already have a completely capable police apparatus here that is somewhat answerable to the people?

        It's hard enough to get real information out of our national system, much less a diplomatically immune INTERPOL.

        This does not indicate any kind of police state, they have been operating here for years and the only change that this really affects is taxes and FOIA. Since Interpol is an international organization it would be logical to not apply FOIA actions to them, just like you wouldn't be able to apply FOIA requests to the French Embassy. I think it is a poor move by Obama to reduce transparency, even of an international organization, but we can always use FOIA to access communications from US government departments to and from Interpol.
        This does not fill me with confidence. It's hard enough to get real information using the ACLU, much less the average American citizen. What's to stop them from denying your requests due to the secrecy involved in fighting "international terrorism"? They will just point to the immunity of INTERPOLs internal police operations. Why not deny release of transcripts from any of our federal agencies since they were involved with an "international terrorism" investigation, and therefore beyond constitutional oversight?

        The way I understand it, INTERPOL staffs its offices with American employees, and any police actions they carry out here (even with FBI or other federal agencies cooperation) are beyond the jurisdiction of our courts and constitution. How does this not cause alarm? I smell the stench of world government increasingly undermining on our constitutional republic, and our government was already doing a well enough job of that on its own and didn't need anymore help.
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          Re: Interpol granted immunity from FOIA, FBI oversight

          They don't carry out "police actions". They're an intelligence organization that tracks criminal reports from various countries and shares that information with relevant parties in other organizations. Host country's police organizations do the policing, not INTERPOL.

          If Joebob Al-Dirtyterrorist was spotted leaving Germany destination unknown, INTERPOL would flash that info out to anyone interested. The host country's police organization may choose to do something about it, or not.

          Another scenario. Whackjack McDougal, a wanted terrorist bomber from the ol' Northern Ireland days, escaped from prison and is out of the country, whereabouts unknown. Ireland's big police organization uses INTERPOL to put out an alert.

          Again, INTERPOL mainly facilitates communication and the sharing of intelligence between police organizations from around the world.

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            Re: Interpol granted immunity from FOIA, FBI oversight

            Gill is correct on his assesment of INTERPOL. They aren't going to be knocking down doors anytime soon... but watch for the help wanted ads.. Who knows...


            The whole concept of one government doing anything efficiently is kinda silly but when you start to cross oceans.. a whole new level of inefficiency and incompetence will be discovered..


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              Re: Interpol granted immunity from FOIA, FBI oversight

              Originally posted by Gill View Post
              They don't carry out "police actions". They're an intelligence organization that tracks criminal reports from various countries and shares that information with relevant parties in other organizations. Host country's police organizations do the policing, not INTERPOL.

              If Joebob Al-Dirtyterrorist was spotted leaving Germany destination unknown, INTERPOL would flash that info out to anyone interested. The host country's police organization may choose to do something about it, or not.

              Another scenario. Whackjack McDougal, a wanted terrorist bomber from the ol' Northern Ireland days, escaped from prison and is out of the country, whereabouts unknown. Ireland's big police organization uses INTERPOL to put out an alert.

              Again, INTERPOL mainly facilitates communication and the sharing of intelligence between police organizations from around the world.
              What he said.

              Anyone that thinks INTERPOL is an organization that actually takes action is a person that doesn't know what INTERPOL actually is.

              The only power INTERPOL will have in this country is through local, state and federal law enforcement agencies that are using INTERPOL's information. That, by itself, is powerful, especially to international criminals.
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