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  • U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-mil...ory?id=9575794

    lol cool

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    Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

    So the mfg uses verse indicators as model codes (since the founder was a devout christian). Like a jew naming his products after his favorite jewish foods.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/slideshow?id=9580847

    Words are words, not magic spells. FFS. It's not like they had the whole verses inscribed inside the scopes, and a little Buddy Jesus as the logo. (I own one, best doll ever!)


    At least it won't be a big deal for them to change to less overt product codes, then it's problem solved, bleeding hearts can now sleep easy and think of the children.


    Freedom of religion does NOT equate to freedom from religion. Any private company or citizen is free to express their religious views. The government is not free to endorse a specific religion. The military is free to ask this company to remove biblical texts on their equipment if they conclude that this could be misconstrued as an endorsement of a particular religion..
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    radmil46 3:22 PM
    Exactly.

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    • #3
      Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

      Well, we're at war people, and I'm glad to see Jesus is doing his part for the home team.

      Freedom of religion does NOT equate to freedom from religion. Any private company or citizen is free to express their religious views. The government is not free to endorse a specific religion. The military is free to ask this company to remove biblical texts on their equipment if they conclude that this could be misconstrued as an endorsement of a particular religion..
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      radmil46 3:22 PM
      True. Although, if it were me I'd have the numbers pulled in the next batch to avoid the controversy, especially when you're trying to convince the local populace you're not out to convert them.
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      • #4
        Trijicon Worships More Than War Profiteering

        My only question is, when is the soonest we can get this modeled for ArmA?

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        • #5
          Re: Trijicon Worships More Than War Profiteering

          Yet another reason to transition the US Military over to the superior Elcan optical system.

          EDIT: Though in response to the title, I wouldn't refer to the production of materiel by defence contractors as 'profiteering'. Capitalism, which is the system we're fighting to protect created the military industrial complex which has given us almost everything we own, right down to the computers we're playing Arma 2 on. Profiteering is the illegal sale of goods to turn a profit in a conflict, but this is a contracted defence company producing salable optics which are helping keep coalition soldiers alive and prosecute the fight against radical extremist ideologues.


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          • #6
            Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

            Elcan's superior to Trijicon's ACOG? First time I've heard that one.

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            • #7
              Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

              EDIT: Though in response to the title, I wouldn't refer to the production of materiel by defence contractors as 'profiteering'.
              Profiteering is the illegal sale of goods to turn a profit in a conflict, but this is a contracted defence company producing salable optics which are helping keep coalition soldiers alive and prosecute the fight against radical extremist ideologues.
              Main Entry: prof·i·teer
              Pronunciation: \ˌprä-fə-ˈtir\
              Function: noun
              Date: 1912

              : one who makes what is considered an unreasonable profit especially on the sale of essential goods during times of emergency

              Giving no-bid contracts to certain beneficiary defense companies that overcharge the government is profiteering. Cheney's Haliburton being the prime example during the Iraq war. I'm sure they're many others to be found with more research.

              Capitalism, which is the system we're fighting to protect created the military industrial complex which has given us almost everything we own, right down to the computers we're playing Arma 2 on.
              The government doesn't have the greatest track record of defending the true capitalistic free market (technically, its been almost a century since we had a top to bottom free market, especially in the banking system). What we have now is a hybrid of capitalism and socialism, which as of late, is moving increasingly towards the centrally planned socialist model. Although you are correct in that our military-industrial complex has given us many new technologies.

              We're primarily fighting to protect our overseas military empire and influence in the middle east, along with retaining favorable access to resources. The idea is to establish a new permanent military footprint in Iraq to police the region in the coming decades as oil becomes increasingly expensive and scarce. We're also there to make the area more friendly to western business and banking interests, and to counter any challenge by regional players (Iran) to our current supremacy.

              These interests have been challenged by groups of extremists that dislike our meddling in their region over these past few decades and want to remove foreign occupation from their lands. Not all gulf nations support this view, as a number benefit from the current arrangement.
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              • #8
                Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

                http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8468981.stm

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                • #9
                  Re: Trijicon Worships More Than War Profiteering

                  Originally posted by Hank Rearden View Post
                  Yet another reason to transition the US Military over to the superior Elcan optical system.
                  Obviously your opinion is based on first hand experience with either system........Right?
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                  • #10
                    Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

                    I would like to point out what while some may think this is ok, it is extremely offensive to non-Christian soldiers. Jewish and Muslim soldiers should be offended that a manufacturer intentionally marked their equipment in a deceptive manner to promote a religion.

                    It would be the same as including a code/symbol/Koran reference for 'Allah is great' or a message about killing infidels. It just isn't appropriate for a government supplier.
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                    • #11
                      Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

                      + 1 Snoogs

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                      • #12
                        Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

                        Its only offensive if you beleive the words hold power. You would think taliban using captures optics could appreciate the irony of the situation. :D

                        I don't believe the words hold power so itwouldn't matter to me whether it was Bible, koran, or Oprah's Biograpghy quotes on the thing. It still sights the same.

                        That said, removing the quotes is a sensible and PR-wise step that should be taken immediatly, even recalling deployed units. Sticking to one's guns (pun) on this issue makes one look like an culturally insensitive tool (if your a mfg).

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                          Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

                          Originally posted by ForGlory&Pain View Post
                          Its only offensive if you beleive the words hold power. I don't so It wouldnt matter to me whether it was Bible, koran, or Oprah's Biograpghy quotes on the thing. It still sights the same.

                          That said, removing the quotes is a sensible and PR-wise step that should be taken immediatly, even recalling deployed units. Sticking to one's guns (pun) on this issue makes one look like an culturally insensitive tool (if your a mfg).
                          So if someone made an alternate scope that said 'Christians molest their children' then that would be ok since it is only offensive if 'you believe the words have power'?

                          FYI, the manufacturer is a culturally insensitive tool, as noted by their joy in admitting that they did this intentionally and believe that the tools are used for Christian purposes.
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                          • #14
                            Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

                            Their "joy" in doing it was a known company history. Smart contracting would have made sure religious markings didn't make it on the weapons as part of the contractual agreement. Procurement oversight fail.

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                              Re: U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

                              Originally posted by ForGlory&Pain View Post
                              Their "joy" in doing it was a known company history. Smart contracting would have made sure religious markings didn't make it on the weapons as part of the contractual agreement. Procurement oversight fail.
                              Quite. So, terminate their contract. The company is completely in the wrong here. Not only is this an awful PR move for everyone involved, it actually has the potential to make things more difficult or dangerous for American soldiers.

                              Oh, and its example of Christian overbearing and arrogance in American culture. That too.
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