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  • A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

    "Of the Republicans polled, 2 out of 3 believe Obama is a socialist, nearly as many think he is Muslim, and a full quarter suspect the president may be the anti-Christ."

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/...t/%28page%29/2

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    Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

    And that's why I fear for this pop shift from the GOP to the Libertarian/tea party movement...

    Us libertarians and our ideas are already considered weird, we don't need true freaks messing with our street cred.
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    • #3
      Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

      Anti-intellectualism has never been a very good long term policy.

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        Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

        I was sort of a quiet solo anarchist for my most of my life. I simple ignored all todo with politics, wasn't even registered to vote. My answer to any political discussion was "I'm independent". I said it in a tone that let those around me know that I'm unavailable and I will not engage. About 5 years ago I decided to give politics a chance and embraced political thought. I picked a side and read all I could. Argued with many people and registered to vote. I have learned a lot. The main thing I learned is that my initial perceptions were correct. The name of the game is screw over the other guy so we can take his money. Anyone supporting said politician is giving power to their cause of screwing over the other guy. The truth is, I'm the other guy. You are the other guy. Anyone in the middle class is the other guy. I'm supporting politicians that are trying to take my money. Doesn't matter which ones Dems, GOP, Libertarians, Green Tea Baggers. Anyone who can't see this is simply a sucker. I will not be voting anymore, and I will not be giving anymore energy or space in my head to an ignorant mob mentality that is being used against itself. From now on, I'm going to mind my own business. However I will use what I' have learned to speculate on pitfalls to avoid and advantages to harness with no intellectual or emotional entanglement. I'm officially independent and will not be fooled again.

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        • #5
          Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

          LOL.

          That is truly pathetic.
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          • #6
            Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

            I cant believe 75% got that one Wrong...silly Republicans...
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            • #7
              Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

              I'm disappointed in 2 of 3 Reps thinking Obama is a socialist. Concisely, from Britannica, socialism is a:
              "System of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control; also, the political movements aimed at putting that system into practice."

              Who in their right mind would think Obama wants incomes controlled through political means?

              Come now, comrades, since National Socialism has been defeated let us glory in the victory for the motherland!

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              • #8
                Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

                Originally posted by SilentSunshine View Post
                I'm disappointed in 2 of 3 Reps thinking Obama is a socialist. Concisely, from Britannica, socialism is a:
                "System of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control; also, the political movements aimed at putting that system into practice."

                Who in their right mind would think Obama wants incomes controlled through political means?

                Come now, comrades, since National Socialism has been defeated let us glory in the victory for the motherland!
                Has there ever been a president in the last 100 years that wasn't a socialist by your standards?
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                • #9
                  Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

                  Should the answer to that question influence the question of whether Obama's goals are socialistic according to established definitions for socialism?

                  I'd like to ask: What more would Obama (or any politician) have to say or do to make more Democrats, Republicans and other Americans believe "Socialistic" a proper description of him? Are there any magic words other than "I fully support Communism and Socialistic paths to it?"

                  Getting back to the title of the thread, Christ and socialism are not that opposed, really. I find it amazing that so many Christians are, in word, against socialism today. Francis Bellamy and the Christian Socialist Party come to mind.

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                  • #10
                    Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

                    Originally posted by SilentSunshine View Post
                    Should the answer to that question influence the question of whether Obama's goals are socialistic according to established definitions for socialism?
                    Yes, because you're clearly utilizing too broad of a definition of the term 'socialism'. Or you're using it in such a loose and vague way that you choose when and where, arbitrarily, you want to apply the label. Either way, the force of your arguments are much blunted because you don't have any clear definition that (1) distinguishes between socialists and nonsocialists in the relevant context and (2) apply nonequivocally in the relevant context. The fact that you use the term 'socialist' in such a loose way that it would appear to apply to all of the presidents in the last 100 years is good evidence that you're not using the term correctly.

                    You also slip between using the terms 'socialist' and 'socialistic'. I take it what you mean by the latter is something like, "has some views in common with socialism." A mixed economy is socialistic in this sense, but a mixed economy is not a socialist economy. It's a compromise between a socialist and capitalist economy. Almost every economy in the world today is a mixed economy. You appear to want to call some mixed economies "socialist," when you want the negative connotation of the word to make your argument appear stronger. But you can use such technical terms so loosely. You do this often in other threads. For instance in another recent thread you appear to equate communes with communism or at least imply that the former lead to the latter. Communes have nothing to do with communism. In another example you appear to equate a welfare state with a socialist state, or equate welfare handouts with socialism. When I pointed that out, you changed your mind and said that while welfare doesn't equate to socialism, it fosters feelings of socialism. In that same post you say that, "It's been said the difference between socialism and communism is that what the latter does by force, the former does by legislation." And while you go on to say that you don't think it's completely right, you apply the distinction in calling Obama a socialist/Marxist. Whoever said that was just completely mistaken about what socialism and what communism are.

                    These are examples that show you appear to either have little understanding of the terms (other than that they've got some negative anti-capitalism connotation) or you're just deliberately vague as some kind of rhetorical strategy.

                    I've asked whether you know what 'communism' and 'socialism' mean. The only answer you've given so far is that "I was using the terms 'socialist' and 'Marxist' in the capacity I've seen them used in my last decade and historically by means of reading." Unfortunately, you've appeared to only have read or understood "pundits" who don't know what the terms mean either. Perhaps you should try reading the Communist Manifesto instead of "summaries" of it.

                    [edit] By the way, it's especially funny when you call Obama a Marxist. Marx's vision of communism was never even close to being implemented in any state. Indeed Marx defined communism as a stateless country. You accuse Obama of being a statist and then call him a Marxist. Sheesh, which is it?

                    I guess you're just following a long tradition of this rhetorical practice.
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                    Last edited by sordavie; 03-28-2010, 12:49 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

                      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
                      Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization which advocate either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources.
                      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ownership
                      Ownership is the state or fact of exclusive rights and control over property, which may be an object, land/real estate or intellectual property.
                      So a system that grants the public control and administration over the means of production and allocation of resources is socialism, if I understand the definition correctly.

                      If we grant the term "ownership" to a private entity but the public still controls it, we can call that a mixed economy, but that's just playing with the words. The public is still running things. I think that's the scheme that Mussolini was running.

                      What's wrong with calling the system we live under "socialism"? We have goverment-run police, fire departments, and military. Why not call those "socialist"?

                      What do we call a person who calls for greater public control (ie. ownership, if not in name, then in outcome) of industry?
                      Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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                      • #12
                        Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

                        As an atheist, I don't think it's possible to tell what a politician's "true religion" is if he's not a Christian, because anyone who says he's not a Christian is unelectable. You pretty much have to twist the truth and pretend to be Christian to get into higher office. It's actually easier to get a gay elected than an atheist.
                        Dude, seriously, WHAT handkerchief?

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                        • #13
                          Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

                          Originally posted by gunjunkie View Post
                          LOL.

                          That is truly pathetic.
                          I disagree with your bomb throwing slander, and I think many Americans feel exactly like Hambergler.

                          What's pathetic is supporting the same two party system over and over again. Face it, the Democrats and Republicans have collectively done more damage to this country than any foreign enemy could ever dream of.

                          From the article:

                          Given this, should anyone be surprised at the latest Harris poll that reveals how thoroughly such overblown rhetoric has infused the GOP? Of the Republicans polled, 2 out of 3 believe Obama is a socialist, nearly as many think he is Muslim, and a full quarter suspect the president may be the anti-Christ.
                          This is so sad. And these people think that if they just vote another Republican in office we will all be saved from destruction somehow. Thanks a lot Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh. The extreme polarization is just so despairing. The Republican attacks are just as pathetic or worse than the Obama policies themselves. Who cares anymore, there's no fixing this divisive two party leviathin. Game over, American citizens loose as usual.
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                            Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

                            EDIT: Oh sorry, I see the context now. I was not posting a response to Hambergler, but to the original article. I think Hamberglers position is probably pretty justified. Mixed wires...

                            Originally posted by mp40x View Post
                            I disagree with your bomb throwing slander, and I think many Americans feel exactly like Hambergler.

                            What's pathetic is supporting the same two party system over and over again. Face it, the Democrats and Republicans have collectively done more damage to this country than any foreign enemy could ever dream of.

                            From the article:



                            This is so sad. And these people think that if they just vote another Republican in office we will all be saved from destruction somehow. Thanks a lot Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh. The extreme polarization is just so despairing. The Republican attacks are just as pathetic or worse than the Obama policies themselves. Who cares anymore, there's no fixing this divisive two party leviathin. Game over, American citizens loose as usual.
                            Sorry if you find it bomb-throwing slander, but the fact that millions of people actually believe that the democratically elected president of the U.S may in fact be an ancient evil, supernatural force, "the eater of worlds", IS pathetic. In fact I think it's more than pathetic, but I was playing nice. Thats got nothing to do with politics. Its got everything to do with 12th century superstitious thinking. I was probably a little more disturbed by the fact that an equitable number think he is "doing the things that Hitler did" (also from the article).

                            I agree with your assessment about the lack of real choice presented by the current political disposition, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't want people following an end-times death cult religion who believe that Obama is the anti-christ anywhere near any decision making that affects my life.
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                            • #15
                              Re: A quarter of polled republicans think Obama might be the anti-christ

                              Originally posted by gunjunkie View Post
                              EDIT: Oh sorry, I see the context now. I was not posting a response to Hambergler, but to the original article. I think Hamberglers position is probably pretty justified. Mixed wires...
                              It just dawned on me that you might of been referring to the OP and not Hambergler. But I see you have already addressed that. My mistake. :)
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